[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgilland07 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 14 08:51:29 EDT 2015
No, this does support audio.
OK.
Let me be as specific as possible. I wasn't going to be as the last time I
was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list, by a few people, and
therefore I've purposely made it a point to not write, in their words, a
novel. But in this case, it's looking like I need to do more explaining, as
you all don't seem to get the type hardware I'm using. Maybe you do, and
I`! just don't get what you all are saying.
Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you still! see me
going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!) but anyway, here's the
two scenareos.
Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has built in
speakers. It also has a line out on the back of it, which I'm running into
one of the stereo channels of my interface. I totally get that the sound I
get from the unit will have to be sent through the line out, down the chain
to my interface's channel line in, which then will be fed into Reaper. I
totally totally get that. I further also totally get that midi isn't audio.
You can't know the amount of times I've had to tell people this! It's gets
so freaking old! Anyway, this digital piano in my personal opinion is more
of a very low end/very very and did I mention, very! souped up digital
piano. I say that because it's not got all the features by any means you'd
find on a pro grade keyboard. The emphesis definitely is more on the piano
functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples built on board
probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11 different featured piano
samples it offers. So, you have all the norms like drums, strings, organs,
brass, woodwinds, guitars, bases, etc. The samples are actually incredible!
Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which asyncronisly does
midi in, and midi out.
So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit ctrl+T to
create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the track name and
insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying firstly to figure out
then how to set the input and output to my Roland midi device. I presume
it's the same as setting the input and output on a midi track which I import
from a midi .mid file. More about that though in a second.
So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out on that
track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also set local to off
on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear when hitting notes is that
produced by the midi data when that track is armed. So now, what I want to
know is, firstly, I'm hitting keys and hearing a grand piano. I want to now
instead however hear say a saxophone. So, what I'm firstly asking is,
before even hitting R to record anything on that track, how do I set the
patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now is? I get that shift+P would
work to let me adjust parameters on the last touched track on all its
effects in the chain, but that's just it. There are no effects yet on the
track. There are no soft synths either as I'm doing this stricly via
hardware. The sounds won't be coming from a software virtual instrument.
They'll be coming from the sounds built into my Roland piano, then sent out
the Roland piano's line out, back into my interface, then captured in Reaper
onto an audio track during the final mix. Does that make a little bit more
sense? This Roland isn't just a controller. It's a full fledged digital
piano workstation. It has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first. Here's the second.
Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no tracks in
the project, go to the insert menu and then to media file. I then browse
for, and open the .mid midi file which already has been pre-recorded,
probably not even from within Reaper initially. We're talking just a midi
file maybe I find online for example. I say to import the tempo map etc,
tell it to import all tracks seperetly, etc. So now, I have a project, say
with 13 or so tracks. Piano, base, drums, toms, tiko drums, strings, flute,
etc. I down arrow through each track, tab into the strip, and set the
outputs from none over to my Roland. I do this on all tracks, then, I hit
w, or home, either or to move to the start of the project, and then hit
space bar to play. I definitely do hear the midi file now routed through
the sounds in my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then,
however, I get to thinking. You know that flute track? Hmm! I think
actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even a trumpet,
instead, even better yet. So, I down arrow to the flute track. I hit F2 to
rename it to say... trumpoet. OK, now, I tab through the items on it's
strip like input output, volume, pan, etc. Nowhere though do I see anywhere
to select a patch. I can't hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain
on that track, as it's all being done via hardware. Therefore, I can't
exactly menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute to trumpet.
So then, how do I?
Does this make more sense? Again, I didn't wanna do this. I didn't wanna
write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm being misunderstood left
and right with what exactly I'm trying to do. So, I hope this clears things
up, and for those who would bitch at me for writing such a long message, get
over it! How else would I have explained, you think I wanted? to write
something this long? Uh, no?
Anyway, thanks for the help.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
instruction, not the sound bank.
Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth. You're not
> following. I have a keyboard connected to my interface. I want to play
> the track and have it play through my keyboard's midi in. So in other
> words, the keyboard is going to be producing the sounds with its built in
> patches. I just need to know once I up and down arrow to the track how
> then to change the instrument both before, and after the track has been
> recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but then I decided, you
> know, this would a sounded better had I used an oboe instead. I don't
> wanna have to go back and redo the entire track over. I just want to
> change it's patch on the fly.
>
> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth. This is going to be done
> through the sounds on my keyboard.
>
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>
>
>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you pick.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want to use on
>>> that track? Say for example I want to record a sax instead of a piano?
>>> I tabbed through the track strip, but I don't see any options to let me
>>> select a particular patch preset. Same goes if I go to my insert menu
>>> in the menu bar, then to media, and simply import an already recorded
>>> midi file, then want to change the preset on one of the tracks to a
>>> different instrument.
>>> So, how's this done?
>>> Chris.
>>>
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