[Rwp] a fun Reaper crashing experience

Fri Apr 10 01:32:32 EDT 2015

We're still in a transition period going from 32 to 64 bit.

And some things will never make the change properly, it is not trivial 
to port a 32 bit plug to 64 bits,
things that are written from the ground up to take advantage of 64 bit 
do well, but things that are hacked around don't do as well, and 64 bit 
handling of 32 bit processes is not as efficient as 32 native to 32 bit 
handling.

So it just depends, you will sometimes get better results from 64 bit, 
sometimes 32,
memory of course is a huge deal, 64 bit can take advantage of much more 
memory,
but that's not the whole story, often 64 bit plugs if not done properly 
can be less stable, and 32 bit plugs have been around forever and so we 
have lots of maturity there even after a few years of 64 bit being around.

And this is especially true of the little companies, and single 
developers, and the free be
crowd stuff, but in general,
I tend to still work in 32 bit land, I find
accessibility
with some older plugs better,
depending on whether they are bridged or not,
for instance older more accessible versions of the wavs plugs,
later versions don't show their presets as easily,
but if I want to load up a great big 4 gig piano library in sforzando,
I'll go 64 bit.

So it just depends.

I do notice that for good 64 bit plugs in a 64 bit daw, things work very 
quickly and that twice as wide data path makes a huge difference.

But everything has to match up just so.

And we surely know that the world is a messy place.

On 4/9/2015 7:02 PM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
> In 7 years of using Reaper most days in some form, I can only think of
> 4 episodes here where a project has had to be rebuilt or Reaper has
> consistently crapped the bed in an unexpected way. There are more
> advanced users out there than me, but tbh I'd say that's not bad going
> for any DAW.
>
> Scott
>
> On 4/9/15, Keith Hinton via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> David and folks, I'm just curious.
>> Since you mentioned 32-bit plugins like Demention Pro crashing Reaper
>> 64-bit, I'm curious if those plugins would crash in a 32-bit Reaper
>> instance?
>> I was planning on using Demention Pro and possibly some other plugins
>> at some point.
>> But if 64-bit Reaper has issues with those plugins, then I wonder if a
>> 32-bit instance would be better?
>> Personally, I've never had Reaper 64 crash, but I've never really
>> taken time to get to learn to use the thing, and I haven't tried
>> throwing plugins like Demention Pro etc at it, so thus why I probably
>> have remained crash free.
>> Its interesting however that Reaper is crashing with native Reaper
>> plugins in this post for sure.
>> Is Reaper usually this crash prone?
>> I would expect with the frequent updates that happen with Reaper that
>> crashes like this wouldn't happen, but obviously I was quite wrong.
>>
>> On 4/9/15, David P Shortland via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>> Hi & Greetings from Down Under
>>>
>>> Using 64bit REAPER on a Windows 7 64bit system, the times I have
>>> experienced
>>>
>>> crashes of this nature was when using the 32bit plugs Dimension Pro and
>>> Rapture.
>>>
>>> Although out of the two Dimension Pro was the biggest culprit.
>>>
>>> Just some other things to consider...
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> David P Shortland
>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gianluca Apollaro via RWP
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 7:14 PM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] a fun Reaper crashing experience
>>>
>>> Hi Patrick and list,
>>> I've seen some of these crashes happening when using some of the wave
>>> plugins in a 64 bit environment. Then I started using there converted
>>> version through a free plugin called dxshell and no crash anymore
>>> hth,
>>> Gianluca.
>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>> Il 09/04/2015 08:54, Scott Chesworth via RWP ha scritto:
>>>> Eek, not good. How's it bearing up with ReaAccess?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/9/15, Patrick Perdue via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yep. First thing I tried. I then made a new project copying tracks from
>>>>> the old one, just to see if it was something in that project's
>>>>> properties that broke somewhere.
>>>>> I've definitely seen some weirdness with peaks before, but in this
>>>>> case,
>>>>> not so much, it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/9/2015 2:45 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Patrick, have you tried clearing out peak files and forcing Reaper to
>>>>>> rebuild those? Sounds ridiculous, but both times I've seen it hang up
>>>>>> upon switching away from or back to the window, that was what cured
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/9/15, James Teh via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> How recent is that build of OSARA?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it does prove to be OSARA, I might be able to find a way for you
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get me a minidump so I can take a look at it in a debugger here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/04/2015 4:35 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> So, in the effort of gaining lost time, I went back to the 32-bit
>>>>>>>> install of Reaper with all the same plugins and ReaAccess, and am
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> experiencing these issues. When I get this project out of the way, I
>>>>>>>> will investigate further as to whether this is a 32 vs. 64-bit
>>>>>>>> issue,
>>>>>>>> OSARA Vs. ReaAccess, or some combination thereof.
>>>>>>>> At the moment, I just want to get this thing out of my life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, unfortunately, I can't send the project to anyone.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> James Teh
>>>>>>> Email/MSN Messenger/Jabber: jamie at jantrid.net
>>>>>>> Web site: http://www.jantrid.net/
>>>>>>> Twitter: jcsteh
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>> --
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>>
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