[Rwp] My! Lord! am I impressed!

theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com
Wed Apr 8 20:34:00 EDT 2015 

This happens for example with the isotope plugs, if its in the generic UI its busy and sluggish, the izoptope  default UI i can navigate with no problems.  Plugs that aren’t accessible but have automobile parameters i have no options but to use the slower generic  UI.  My main reaper system is on Mavericks. I do notice that VO got a lot snappier with Yocimite and as such am now tempted to upgrade the studio machine to see if its improved. One solution to this problem does seem to be throwing as much RAM at it as possible. I hear machines with apple installed SSD’s and say 16GB of ram fair considerably better. Something to consider for a new machine purchase though this shouldn’t be our solution. 

The main annoyances i am attempting to pin point are probably easier explained in voice and i want to get a better understanding before trying to explain in a public forum that include non technical users. Hit me off list if you get a new mac partition going and you want to play with reaper on OS X again.
 
> On Apr 8, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Scott Chesworth via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> 
> That's good to know man. Surprising too. The Mac partition of my SSD
> appears to have died an untimely death, so maybe I'll reinstall and
> give Yosemite a shot.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> Hi Scott!
>> 
>> Sounds like a good idia, to make a crazy reaper project for them to test ...
>> ;) But i must say, that Vo is getting more responsive with the latest
>> update. I made a parameter view test with synth1 for mac this morning and it
>> was quite fast navigation here on a yosemite system. In mountain lion it
>> simply didn't work ... So there is hope .. :)
>> 
>> Greetings
>> 
>> Nadine
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 22:43 schrieb Scott Chesworth via RWP
>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>> 
>>> Given that this is a problem with VO that exhibits itself far more
>>> widely than just one window of Reaper, I'd say start emailing
>>> accessibility at apple.com about it if you haven't already. Cite some
>>> examples of their own software where VO is sluggish, and given that
>>> Reaper is a free download I guess you could recommend they test with
>>> that too if there's a stock effect that has enough parameters to
>>> overwhelm VO. You'll need to follow up each time a new version of the
>>> OS comes out with no improvements. I was on the case for a while with
>>> this, but got frustrated with the lack of movement, gave up and went
>>> back to Windows. It'd be good to know someone else is giving them a
>>> hard time about their sucky screen reader in my absence ;)
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Alex!
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, the item chooser works nice, but not in a busy window. My current
>>>> solution to control a plugin parameter from the reaper interface,
>>>> without
>>>> using a midi controller, is to use the param menu in the fx view, go to
>>>> menu
>>>> FX parameter list/Show track envelope. If you choose the parameter, you
>>>> want
>>>> to control, it is shown in the track automation, which is accessible in
>>>> the
>>>> track view and you can move the slider. This is doable, but quite slow
>>>> :).
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings
>>>> 
>>>> Nadine
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 21:43 schrieb Alex H. via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is more of an OSX/VoiceOver limitation in how it caches objects I
>>>>> think. This isn't the only example where VO lags heavily. Large
>>>>> preference panes in the OS itself do this. Not really a good and easy
>>>>> fix to this one I'm afraid, until Apple can speed up the loading of
>>>>> tons and tons of items. Not intending to starting a wrestling match
>>>>> over it; it's what I've experienced.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most times the plugin's UI (not the generic UI) is useless to a VO
>>>>> user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a possible way to make things a bit friendlier, have you tried the
>>>>> item chooser menu? You can arrow down through the list and wack enter
>>>>> on what sounds interesting, and only have to wait once rather than
>>>>> every time you VO+Left/Right through the UI
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>> hi!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Exactly this window i mean. Usually, you maybe won't notice itfor many
>>>>>> plugins, because it really seems to depend on how many parameters the
>>>>>> plugin
>>>>>> has and i think, Vo just has problems showing such a big window and
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> busy all the time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A good way to reproduce this, is to take a softsynth with very many
>>>>>> parameters. What first comes to my mind, is maybe the demo of
>>>>>> predator,
>>>>>> because here it happens for sure:
>>>>>> http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html
>>>>>> <http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nadine
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 01:48 schrieb James Teh via RWP
>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/04/2015 9:34 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Interesting, so the generic Reaper UI for plugs is accessible on Mac
>>>>>>>> then?
>>>>>>> That'd make sense. It's technically accessible on Windows too to the
>>>>>>> extent that REAPER's buggy accessibility code allows... which isn't
>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have you ever had the opportunity to get some eyes on the case
>>>>>>>> to find out whether the generic UI falls flat for sighted users too
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> those instances when no controls are shown?
>>>>>>> The generic UI can only show automatable parameters, just like
>>>>>>> ReaAccess/OSARA's FX parameters dialogs. If an effect doesn't expose
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> parameter for automation, the generic UI won't show it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> James Teh
>>>>>>> Email/MSN Messenger/Jabber: jamie at jantrid.net
>>>>>>> Web site: http://www.jantrid.net/
>>>>>>> Twitter: jcsteh
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