[Rwp] My! Lord! am I impressed!

[Scott Chesworth]

That's good to know man. Surprising too. The Mac partition of my SSD
appears to have died an untimely death, so maybe I'll reinstall and
give Yosemite a shot.

Scott

On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> Hi Scott!
>
> Sounds like a good idia, to make a crazy reaper project for them to test ...
> ;) But i must say, that Vo is getting more responsive with the latest
> update. I made a parameter view test with synth1 for mac this morning and it
> was quite fast navigation here on a yosemite system. In mountain lion it
> simply didn't work ... So there is hope .. :)
>
> Greetings
>
> Nadine
>
>
>> Am 08.04.2015 um 22:43 schrieb Scott Chesworth via RWP
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>
>> Given that this is a problem with VO that exhibits itself far more
>> widely than just one window of Reaper, I'd say start emailing
>> accessibility at apple.com about it if you haven't already. Cite some
>> examples of their own software where VO is sluggish, and given that
>> Reaper is a free download I guess you could recommend they test with
>> that too if there's a stock effect that has enough parameters to
>> overwhelm VO. You'll need to follow up each time a new version of the
>> OS comes out with no improvements. I was on the case for a while with
>> this, but got frustrated with the lack of movement, gave up and went
>> back to Windows. It'd be good to know someone else is giving them a
>> hard time about their sucky screen reader in my absence ;)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex!
>>>
>>> Yes, the item chooser works nice, but not in a busy window. My current
>>> solution to control a plugin parameter from the reaper interface,
>>> without
>>> using a midi controller, is to use the param menu in the fx view, go to
>>> menu
>>> FX parameter list/Show track envelope. If you choose the parameter, you
>>> want
>>> to control, it is shown in the track automation, which is accessible in
>>> the
>>> track view and you can move the slider. This is doable, but quite slow
>>> :).
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Nadine
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 21:43 schrieb Alex H. via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>
>>>> This is more of an OSX/VoiceOver limitation in how it caches objects I
>>>> think. This isn't the only example where VO lags heavily. Large
>>>> preference panes in the OS itself do this. Not really a good and easy
>>>> fix to this one I'm afraid, until Apple can speed up the loading of
>>>> tons and tons of items. Not intending to starting a wrestling match
>>>> over it; it's what I've experienced.
>>>>
>>>> Most times the plugin's UI (not the generic UI) is useless to a VO
>>>> user.
>>>>
>>>> As a possible way to make things a bit friendlier, have you tried the
>>>> item chooser menu? You can arrow down through the list and wack enter
>>>> on what sounds interesting, and only have to wait once rather than
>>>> every time you VO+Left/Right through the UI
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>> hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly this window i mean. Usually, you maybe won't notice itfor many
>>>>> plugins, because it really seems to depend on how many parameters the
>>>>> plugin
>>>>> has and i think, Vo just has problems showing such a big window and
>>>>> says
>>>>> busy all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> A good way to reproduce this, is to take a softsynth with very many
>>>>> parameters. What first comes to my mind, is maybe the demo of
>>>>> predator,
>>>>> because here it happens for sure:
>>>>> http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html
>>>>> <http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Nadine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 01:48 schrieb James Teh via RWP
>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/04/2015 9:34 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> Interesting, so the generic Reaper UI for plugs is accessible on Mac
>>>>>>> then?
>>>>>> That'd make sense. It's technically accessible on Windows too to the
>>>>>> extent that REAPER's buggy accessibility code allows... which isn't
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you ever had the opportunity to get some eyes on the case
>>>>>>> to find out whether the generic UI falls flat for sighted users too
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> those instances when no controls are shown?
>>>>>> The generic UI can only show automatable parameters, just like
>>>>>> ReaAccess/OSARA's FX parameters dialogs. If an effect doesn't expose
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> parameter for automation, the generic UI won't show it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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