[Rwp] My! Lord! am I impressed!

[Nadine Jahns]

Hi Scott!

Sounds like a good idia, to make a crazy reaper project for them to test ... ;) But i must say, that Vo is getting more responsive with the latest update. I made a parameter view test with synth1 for mac this morning and it was quite fast navigation here on a yosemite system. In mountain lion it simply didn't work ... So there is hope .. :)

Greetings

Nadine


> Am 08.04.2015 um 22:43 schrieb Scott Chesworth via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
> 
> Given that this is a problem with VO that exhibits itself far more
> widely than just one window of Reaper, I'd say start emailing
> accessibility at apple.com about it if you haven't already. Cite some
> examples of their own software where VO is sluggish, and given that
> Reaper is a free download I guess you could recommend they test with
> that too if there's a stock effect that has enough parameters to
> overwhelm VO. You'll need to follow up each time a new version of the
> OS comes out with no improvements. I was on the case for a while with
> this, but got frustrated with the lack of movement, gave up and went
> back to Windows. It'd be good to know someone else is giving them a
> hard time about their sucky screen reader in my absence ;)
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> Hi Alex!
>> 
>> Yes, the item chooser works nice, but not in a busy window. My current
>> solution to control a plugin parameter from the reaper interface, without
>> using a midi controller, is to use the param menu in the fx view, go to menu
>> FX parameter list/Show track envelope. If you choose the parameter, you want
>> to control, it is shown in the track automation, which is accessible in the
>> track view and you can move the slider. This is doable, but quite slow :).
>> 
>> Greetings
>> 
>> Nadine
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 21:43 schrieb Alex H. via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>> 
>>> This is more of an OSX/VoiceOver limitation in how it caches objects I
>>> think. This isn't the only example where VO lags heavily. Large
>>> preference panes in the OS itself do this. Not really a good and easy
>>> fix to this one I'm afraid, until Apple can speed up the loading of
>>> tons and tons of items. Not intending to starting a wrestling match
>>> over it; it's what I've experienced.
>>> 
>>> Most times the plugin's UI (not the generic UI) is useless to a VO user.
>>> 
>>> As a possible way to make things a bit friendlier, have you tried the
>>> item chooser menu? You can arrow down through the list and wack enter
>>> on what sounds interesting, and only have to wait once rather than
>>> every time you VO+Left/Right through the UI
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>> hi!
>>>> 
>>>> Exactly this window i mean. Usually, you maybe won't notice itfor many
>>>> plugins, because it really seems to depend on how many parameters the
>>>> plugin
>>>> has and i think, Vo just has problems showing such a big window and says
>>>> busy all the time.
>>>> 
>>>> A good way to reproduce this, is to take a softsynth with very many
>>>> parameters. What first comes to my mind, is maybe the demo of predator,
>>>> because here it happens for sure:
>>>> http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html
>>>> <http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html>
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings
>>>> 
>>>> Nadine
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 01:48 schrieb James Teh via RWP
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/04/2015 9:34 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting, so the generic Reaper UI for plugs is accessible on Mac
>>>>>> then?
>>>>> That'd make sense. It's technically accessible on Windows too to the
>>>>> extent that REAPER's buggy accessibility code allows... which isn't
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you ever had the opportunity to get some eyes on the case
>>>>>> to find out whether the generic UI falls flat for sighted users too in
>>>>>> those instances when no controls are shown?
>>>>> The generic UI can only show automatable parameters, just like
>>>>> ReaAccess/OSARA's FX parameters dialogs. If an effect doesn't expose a
>>>>> parameter for automation, the generic UI won't show it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jamie
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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