[Rwp] My! Lord! am I impressed!

[Scott Chesworth]

Given that this is a problem with VO that exhibits itself far more
widely than just one window of Reaper, I'd say start emailing
accessibility at apple.com about it if you haven't already. Cite some
examples of their own software where VO is sluggish, and given that
Reaper is a free download I guess you could recommend they test with
that too if there's a stock effect that has enough parameters to
overwhelm VO. You'll need to follow up each time a new version of the
OS comes out with no improvements. I was on the case for a while with
this, but got frustrated with the lack of movement, gave up and went
back to Windows. It'd be good to know someone else is giving them a
hard time about their sucky screen reader in my absence ;)

Scott

On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex!
>
> Yes, the item chooser works nice, but not in a busy window. My current
> solution to control a plugin parameter from the reaper interface, without
> using a midi controller, is to use the param menu in the fx view, go to menu
> FX parameter list/Show track envelope. If you choose the parameter, you want
> to control, it is shown in the track automation, which is accessible in the
> track view and you can move the slider. This is doable, but quite slow :).
>
> Greetings
>
> Nadine
>
>
>> Am 08.04.2015 um 21:43 schrieb Alex H. via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>
>> This is more of an OSX/VoiceOver limitation in how it caches objects I
>> think. This isn't the only example where VO lags heavily. Large
>> preference panes in the OS itself do this. Not really a good and easy
>> fix to this one I'm afraid, until Apple can speed up the loading of
>> tons and tons of items. Not intending to starting a wrestling match
>> over it; it's what I've experienced.
>>
>> Most times the plugin's UI (not the generic UI) is useless to a VO user.
>>
>> As a possible way to make things a bit friendlier, have you tried the
>> item chooser menu? You can arrow down through the list and wack enter
>> on what sounds interesting, and only have to wait once rather than
>> every time you VO+Left/Right through the UI
>>
>> HTH,
>> Alex
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 4/8/15, Nadine Jahns via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>> hi!
>>>
>>> Exactly this window i mean. Usually, you maybe won't notice itfor many
>>> plugins, because it really seems to depend on how many parameters the
>>> plugin
>>> has and i think, Vo just has problems showing such a big window and says
>>> busy all the time.
>>>
>>> A good way to reproduce this, is to take a softsynth with very many
>>> parameters. What first comes to my mind, is maybe the demo of predator,
>>> because here it happens for sure:
>>> http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html
>>> <http://www.robpapen.com/predator-demo.html>
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Nadine
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 08.04.2015 um 01:48 schrieb James Teh via RWP
>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/04/2015 9:34 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Interesting, so the generic Reaper UI for plugs is accessible on Mac
>>>>> then?
>>>> That'd make sense. It's technically accessible on Windows too to the
>>>> extent that REAPER's buggy accessibility code allows... which isn't
>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever had the opportunity to get some eyes on the case
>>>>> to find out whether the generic UI falls flat for sighted users too in
>>>>> those instances when no controls are shown?
>>>> The generic UI can only show automatable parameters, just like
>>>> ReaAccess/OSARA's FX parameters dialogs. If an effect doesn't expose a
>>>> parameter for automation, the generic UI won't show it.
>>>>
>>>> Jamie
>>>>
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