[Rwp] Bridged mode [was: Setting value parameters within an effect]

[Derek Lane]

I'm going to guess that it also makes plugins  easier to script/adapt with 
auto-it or auto hotkey.
Once focused on the deticated window, and once that window is maximised it 
can take a larger space.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Teh via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 6:25 PM
Subject: [Rwp] Bridged mode [was: Setting value parameters within an effect]


> Hi Scott and others,
>
> What does bridged mode actually give you that you don't get normally? As I 
> understand it, there theoretically shouldn't really be any difference in 
> what you can see with a screen reader. Bridged mode does use a separate 
> process and a separate top level window, but otherwise, the content is 
> supposed to be the same. Now, obviously, if this works for people, that's 
> not the case, hence my curiosity.
>
> The only difference I can think of is that normally, it can be much harder 
> to get focus into the plug-in's own window, although you can still do that 
> with object navigation.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 3/04/2015 7:38 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> What you'll find via Shift+P depends on what the plugin itself
>> outputs. Some output what I call real-world values (though I think the
>> correct techie term is probably formatted values), other don't. For
>> the plugs that do, you'll see things like attack times in MS, ratio in
>> numbers that actually mean something etc. For the ones that don't,
>> pretty much everything is represented by a number from 0.0 (all the
>> way off) to 1.0 (all the way on). The slider that gives values in
>> percentages is still working with that range from 0 to 1, so 55% on
>> the slider will be 0.55 in the edit field. That's useful to know if
>> you want to key in values quickly without faffing with the slider.
>> Experimentation is the key here, but yep, it's annoying. You'll find
>> you probably have the most consistent luck getting real-world values
>> out of the stock Reaper plugs. ReaComp for example should be showing
>> you values that you know how to work with.
>>
>> There's one other technique that can come in handy when a plug doesn't
>> show you much useful stuff after you've hit Shift+P, and that's to try
>> running the plugin in bridged mode. Reaper does this automatically if
>> you try and run a 32-bit plug in a 64-bit environment, but you can
>> force it to bridge native plugs too, and sometimes that'll enable you
>> to access settings in a more meaningful way than Shift+P does. To
>> force a plugin to run bridged, before you open it, go to Preferences,
>> then Compatibility which you'll find just underneath Plug-ins in the
>> tree view. Tab until you reach the "VST bridging and firewalling"
>> combobox, and set that to "In dedicated process per plugin". Now when
>> you load Autotune, you'll find yourself in a separate window. You'll
>> need to use the virtual cursor of whatever screen reader you're using,
>> but you'll find that options for key, scale, voice type etc can be
>> clicked on and change there. Not everything is accessible that way,
>> for example to use the the humanize function of Autotune I had to go
>> back into the parameters in the Shift+P dialog and set the slider to
>> 100% to turn that on, but between those two views, you can get a lot
>> done.
>>
>> Yeah, I know, this is all a lot more of a headache than Pro Tools. The
>> one thing that keeps me sane about it is that between the two views, I
>> can usually get something usable out of most plugs, whereas in PT they
>> either work or flat out refuse to. The best thing is probably just to
>> try a boat load of plugins, and make the ones that expose good values
>> work for you. Over time I've built up a list of go-to plugins in both
>> DAWs, but due to the different methods of access on each platform,
>> they don't tend to be the same plugins across both DAWs.
>>
>> Hth explain things a bit.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>
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