[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Alex H. linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
Fri Oct 31 13:05:38 EDT 2014 

Here are my recab presets
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4425568/recab.rpl?dl

I'll write over the weekend and ask if anything's changed access wise
in version 4 too.

peace,
Alex

On 10/31/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
> Thanks Alex!
> Do you attach them via the mail?
>
>
> On 10/31/2014 6:28 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Dude, contact him again and ask if anything got looked at and what's
>> likely to change in version 4? It's about the least hassling-looking
>> way of hassling someone isn't it :P
>>
>> On 10/31/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Hadi, Scott,
>>>
>>> First, Hadi, if you can see you can load wav files in recabinet. No
>>> way to do it using hacky things called screen readers, I'm afraid. :(
>>> The initial idea was you could blend external IRs and the builtin
>>> Recab ones, and make a huge tone. I don't wanna get into making
>>> foldres for each guit track and blending IR outputs right now, but it
>>> could be done using multiple plugs.
>>>
>>> I've not tried Recabinet 4 yet, I'm kinda waiting for a demo version
>>> to come out to see if access has improved or worsened, but it's
>>> frustratingly still not up for grabs on the site. I might just go buy
>>> it anyway but I'll be bummed if it's worse than 3.
>>>
>>> I'll post the reaper presets.ini file of my recab presets (not gonna
>>> export 30 fxps...).
>>>
>>> Scott, it's really the luck of the draw. You might try forcing reaper
>>> to load each plug in its own process so it's able to be alt-tabbed to,
>>> and then scan the window. More often than not I get the same thing you
>>> do, though. It takes anywhere from half an hour to an hour to make 1
>>> preset.Yay staying up all night on weekends! :D
>>>
>>> I did contact Shane at Kazrog to see what he could do, only thing I
>>> got was "we'll look into it," which while boring and generic, was at
>>> least better than NI/IK Multimedia's non-response.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 10/30/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Probably a mute question Alex, but have you been in touch with the
>>>> developer of ReCabinet to explain how useful them sorting out the
>>>> automation parameters would be?
>>>>
>>>> Also, how do you get anything useful out of OCR with NVDA? I mean,
>>>> sometimes I get results from it (it seems to do a good job of iLok
>>>> related errors), but I'm guessing it's not replicating the screen
>>>> layout, because whenever I've moused over the text it's picked up from
>>>> a button and clicked it's had no affect. What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I use NVDA with Recabinet. The interface is a bear for two reasons,
>>>>> though:
>>>>> 1. Shift-P dialog doesn't have any effect on any parameter, except
>>>>> dynamics and some EQ params, but you cannot change cabinets.
>>>>> Useful...not.
>>>>> I worked around this with the hotspotNkockoff thing Jim posted way
>>>>> back, and before that I used the OCR addon for NVDA and scanned the
>>>>> plug interface.
>>>>> I made a bunch of presets of stuff I thought sounded cool; you may
>>>>> have those if you want them.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, then, recabinet is an access nightmare without presets. Who
>>>>> wants to take 20 minutes to figure out how to change a cabinet? LOL :)
>>>>> With presets and/or patience, though, it's quite a nice bit of kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your great tips,
>>>>>> I currently do not own any real amps or cabinets, I'm waiting to get
>>>>>> more bucks so maybe i could go for  a nice set of rig, but it's a
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> way to go. till then, I'm trying to get as much as quality as i can
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> from  amp simulations, because both for  playing live/recording I
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> use  them.
>>>>>> I might buy recabinet, but how's the accessibility on this software?
>>>>>> Do you use jaws or NVDA to work with it? Does it require scripts?
>>>>>> I have listened to some songs using recabinet in youtube, and they
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> so awesome, even with  lepou lecto!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/30/2014 6:12 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Hadi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm a bit late on this, but for reaVerb, set wet level to 0, dry to
>>>>>>> infinite as Scott said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reaEq is really quite good, and once you get comfortable with
>>>>>>> tweaking and find a good sound, you could add reaComp or reaXComp at
>>>>>>> the end of the chain (after reaVerb with a cab IR loaded). You don't
>>>>>>> need to worry about this really, but it could help make a phat sound
>>>>>>> even more beafy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're interested in using other cab sims, there's affordable
>>>>>>> Recabinet, Mercuriall Cab (which is free), and if you wanna dish out
>>>>>>> some bucks, Waves has a nice set of guitar plugs, which to some
>>>>>>> degree
>>>>>>> or other are accessible enough using the shift-P dialog. One reason
>>>>>>> you'd want to get another cab sim is if you play live through your
>>>>>>> track when recording, or just jamming out. The reaVerb latency
>>>>>>> irritates me. You can set the Max FFT size to 32 for now if that's
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> issue as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/29/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi scott
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your great advise.
>>>>>>>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>>>>>>>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound, but
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have a problem.
>>>>>>>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain
>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>>>>>>>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>>>>>>>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet
>>>>>>>> simulation?
>>>>>>>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for
>>>>>>>> reaVerb?
>>>>>>>> is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>>>>>>>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>>>>>>>> Thanks scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi dude,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is probably
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so start
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new
>>>>>>>>> plugin,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst tweaking
>>>>>>>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play
>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a
>>>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to
>>>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments, as
>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in useful
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go check
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used.
>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because it'll
>>>>>>>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're
>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>>>>>>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know there's
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive
>>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and see
>>>>>>>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your
>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound so
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the fat
>>>>>>>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad
>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar
>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>>>>>>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even for
>>>>>>>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order nowadays
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the
>>>>>>>>> uberly
>>>>>>>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on
>>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok,
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're not
>>>>>>>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>>>>>>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi scott.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>>>>>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so
>>>>>>>>>> yeah,
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio
>>>>>>>>>> interface.
>>>>>>>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want.
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>> should i do then?
>>>>>>>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the audio
>>>>>>>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>>>>>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>     From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are
>>>>>>>>>>> mimicking
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>>>>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal
>>>>>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and
>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> worrying
>>>>>>>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I find
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins
>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step,
>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing from
>>>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby
>>>>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around in
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar is
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great
>>>>>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> playing,
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually
>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded a
>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with,
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time to
>>>>>>>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all
>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until
>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because
>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how can
>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i
>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because i
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big hissing
>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a
>>>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this
>>>>>>>>>>>> off,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of
>>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low. if
>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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