[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Hadi Rezaee hadirezaei at gmx.com
Fri Oct 31 05:19:23 EDT 2014 

Thanks Alex!
Do you attach them via the mail?


On 10/31/2014 6:28 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> Dude, contact him again and ask if anything got looked at and what's
> likely to change in version 4? It's about the least hassling-looking
> way of hassling someone isn't it :P
>
> On 10/31/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Hadi, Scott,
>>
>> First, Hadi, if you can see you can load wav files in recabinet. No
>> way to do it using hacky things called screen readers, I'm afraid. :(
>> The initial idea was you could blend external IRs and the builtin
>> Recab ones, and make a huge tone. I don't wanna get into making
>> foldres for each guit track and blending IR outputs right now, but it
>> could be done using multiple plugs.
>>
>> I've not tried Recabinet 4 yet, I'm kinda waiting for a demo version
>> to come out to see if access has improved or worsened, but it's
>> frustratingly still not up for grabs on the site. I might just go buy
>> it anyway but I'll be bummed if it's worse than 3.
>>
>> I'll post the reaper presets.ini file of my recab presets (not gonna
>> export 30 fxps...).
>>
>> Scott, it's really the luck of the draw. You might try forcing reaper
>> to load each plug in its own process so it's able to be alt-tabbed to,
>> and then scan the window. More often than not I get the same thing you
>> do, though. It takes anywhere from half an hour to an hour to make 1
>> preset.Yay staying up all night on weekends! :D
>>
>> I did contact Shane at Kazrog to see what he could do, only thing I
>> got was "we'll look into it," which while boring and generic, was at
>> least better than NI/IK Multimedia's non-response.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 10/30/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Probably a mute question Alex, but have you been in touch with the
>>> developer of ReCabinet to explain how useful them sorting out the
>>> automation parameters would be?
>>>
>>> Also, how do you get anything useful out of OCR with NVDA? I mean,
>>> sometimes I get results from it (it seems to do a good job of iLok
>>> related errors), but I'm guessing it's not replicating the screen
>>> layout, because whenever I've moused over the text it's picked up from
>>> a button and clicked it's had no affect. What am I missing?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/30/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I use NVDA with Recabinet. The interface is a bear for two reasons,
>>>> though:
>>>> 1. Shift-P dialog doesn't have any effect on any parameter, except
>>>> dynamics and some EQ params, but you cannot change cabinets.
>>>> Useful...not.
>>>> I worked around this with the hotspotNkockoff thing Jim posted way
>>>> back, and before that I used the OCR addon for NVDA and scanned the
>>>> plug interface.
>>>> I made a bunch of presets of stuff I thought sounded cool; you may
>>>> have those if you want them.
>>>>
>>>> In short, then, recabinet is an access nightmare without presets. Who
>>>> wants to take 20 minutes to figure out how to change a cabinet? LOL :)
>>>> With presets and/or patience, though, it's quite a nice bit of kit.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your great tips,
>>>>> I currently do not own any real amps or cabinets, I'm waiting to get
>>>>> more bucks so maybe i could go for  a nice set of rig, but it's a long
>>>>> way to go. till then, I'm trying to get as much as quality as i can get
>>>>> from  amp simulations, because both for  playing live/recording I
>>>>> should
>>>>> use  them.
>>>>> I might buy recabinet, but how's the accessibility on this software?
>>>>> Do you use jaws or NVDA to work with it? Does it require scripts?
>>>>> I have listened to some songs using recabinet in youtube, and they
>>>>> sound
>>>>> so awesome, even with  lepou lecto!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/2014 6:12 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Hadi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a bit late on this, but for reaVerb, set wet level to 0, dry to
>>>>>> infinite as Scott said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reaEq is really quite good, and once you get comfortable with
>>>>>> tweaking and find a good sound, you could add reaComp or reaXComp at
>>>>>> the end of the chain (after reaVerb with a cab IR loaded). You don't
>>>>>> need to worry about this really, but it could help make a phat sound
>>>>>> even more beafy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're interested in using other cab sims, there's affordable
>>>>>> Recabinet, Mercuriall Cab (which is free), and if you wanna dish out
>>>>>> some bucks, Waves has a nice set of guitar plugs, which to some degree
>>>>>> or other are accessible enough using the shift-P dialog. One reason
>>>>>> you'd want to get another cab sim is if you play live through your
>>>>>> track when recording, or just jamming out. The reaVerb latency
>>>>>> irritates me. You can set the Max FFT size to 32 for now if that's an
>>>>>> issue as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/29/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi scott
>>>>>>> Thanks for your great advise.
>>>>>>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>>>>>>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound, but I
>>>>>>> have a problem.
>>>>>>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain easily
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>>>>>>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>>>>>>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet
>>>>>>> simulation?
>>>>>>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for
>>>>>>> reaVerb?
>>>>>>> is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>>>>>>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>>>>>>> Thanks scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi dude,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is probably
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so start
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new plugin,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst tweaking
>>>>>>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play well
>>>>>>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a
>>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with the
>>>>>>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to pick
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments, as
>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're going
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in useful at
>>>>>>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets of
>>>>>>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go check
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used. Do
>>>>>>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because it'll
>>>>>>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're happy
>>>>>>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>>>>>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know there's
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive
>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well to
>>>>>>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and see
>>>>>>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your
>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound so
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the fat
>>>>>>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad
>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>>>>>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing better
>>>>>>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even for
>>>>>>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order nowadays to
>>>>>>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the
>>>>>>>> uberly
>>>>>>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on
>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok,
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're not
>>>>>>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>>>>>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi scott.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>>>>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so yeah,
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>>>>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio interface.
>>>>>>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want. What
>>>>>>>>> should i do then?
>>>>>>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the audio
>>>>>>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>>>>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>     From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like you're
>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are mimicking
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>>>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal
>>>>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording guitar
>>>>>>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and
>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of worrying
>>>>>>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I find
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step,
>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing from
>>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby
>>>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your guitar
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around in
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired up
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar is
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great heavy
>>>>>>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing playing,
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually
>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters.
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run
>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded a
>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with, one
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time to
>>>>>>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose what
>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all
>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until everything
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because
>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList who
>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how can i
>>>>>>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i got
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think from
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because i
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big hissing
>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a
>>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this
>>>>>>>>>>> off,
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and is
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of
>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low. if i
>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a very
>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
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