[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Scott Chesworth scottchesworth at gmail.com
Thu Oct 30 22:58:57 EDT 2014 

Dude, contact him again and ask if anything got looked at and what's
likely to change in version 4? It's about the least hassling-looking
way of hassling someone isn't it :P

On 10/31/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hadi, Scott,
>
> First, Hadi, if you can see you can load wav files in recabinet. No
> way to do it using hacky things called screen readers, I'm afraid. :(
> The initial idea was you could blend external IRs and the builtin
> Recab ones, and make a huge tone. I don't wanna get into making
> foldres for each guit track and blending IR outputs right now, but it
> could be done using multiple plugs.
>
> I've not tried Recabinet 4 yet, I'm kinda waiting for a demo version
> to come out to see if access has improved or worsened, but it's
> frustratingly still not up for grabs on the site. I might just go buy
> it anyway but I'll be bummed if it's worse than 3.
>
> I'll post the reaper presets.ini file of my recab presets (not gonna
> export 30 fxps...).
>
> Scott, it's really the luck of the draw. You might try forcing reaper
> to load each plug in its own process so it's able to be alt-tabbed to,
> and then scan the window. More often than not I get the same thing you
> do, though. It takes anywhere from half an hour to an hour to make 1
> preset.Yay staying up all night on weekends! :D
>
> I did contact Shane at Kazrog to see what he could do, only thing I
> got was "we'll look into it," which while boring and generic, was at
> least better than NI/IK Multimedia's non-response.
>
> Peace,
> Alex
>
> On 10/30/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Probably a mute question Alex, but have you been in touch with the
>> developer of ReCabinet to explain how useful them sorting out the
>> automation parameters would be?
>>
>> Also, how do you get anything useful out of OCR with NVDA? I mean,
>> sometimes I get results from it (it seems to do a good job of iLok
>> related errors), but I'm guessing it's not replicating the screen
>> layout, because whenever I've moused over the text it's picked up from
>> a button and clicked it's had no affect. What am I missing?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I use NVDA with Recabinet. The interface is a bear for two reasons,
>>> though:
>>> 1. Shift-P dialog doesn't have any effect on any parameter, except
>>> dynamics and some EQ params, but you cannot change cabinets.
>>> Useful...not.
>>> I worked around this with the hotspotNkockoff thing Jim posted way
>>> back, and before that I used the OCR addon for NVDA and scanned the
>>> plug interface.
>>> I made a bunch of presets of stuff I thought sounded cool; you may
>>> have those if you want them.
>>>
>>> In short, then, recabinet is an access nightmare without presets. Who
>>> wants to take 20 minutes to figure out how to change a cabinet? LOL :)
>>> With presets and/or patience, though, it's quite a nice bit of kit.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 10/30/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Alex
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your great tips,
>>>> I currently do not own any real amps or cabinets, I'm waiting to get
>>>> more bucks so maybe i could go for  a nice set of rig, but it's a long
>>>> way to go. till then, I'm trying to get as much as quality as i can get
>>>> from  amp simulations, because both for  playing live/recording I
>>>> should
>>>> use  them.
>>>> I might buy recabinet, but how's the accessibility on this software?
>>>> Do you use jaws or NVDA to work with it? Does it require scripts?
>>>> I have listened to some songs using recabinet in youtube, and they
>>>> sound
>>>> so awesome, even with  lepou lecto!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/2014 6:12 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>> Hi Hadi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a bit late on this, but for reaVerb, set wet level to 0, dry to
>>>>> infinite as Scott said.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reaEq is really quite good, and once you get comfortable with
>>>>> tweaking and find a good sound, you could add reaComp or reaXComp at
>>>>> the end of the chain (after reaVerb with a cab IR loaded). You don't
>>>>> need to worry about this really, but it could help make a phat sound
>>>>> even more beafy.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're interested in using other cab sims, there's affordable
>>>>> Recabinet, Mercuriall Cab (which is free), and if you wanna dish out
>>>>> some bucks, Waves has a nice set of guitar plugs, which to some degree
>>>>> or other are accessible enough using the shift-P dialog. One reason
>>>>> you'd want to get another cab sim is if you play live through your
>>>>> track when recording, or just jamming out. The reaVerb latency
>>>>> irritates me. You can set the Max FFT size to 32 for now if that's an
>>>>> issue as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/29/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi scott
>>>>>> Thanks for your great advise.
>>>>>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>>>>>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound, but I
>>>>>> have a problem.
>>>>>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain easily
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>>>>>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>>>>>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet
>>>>>> simulation?
>>>>>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for
>>>>>> reaVerb?
>>>>>> is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>>>>>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>>>>>> Thanks scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi dude,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is probably
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so start
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new plugin,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst tweaking
>>>>>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play well
>>>>>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a
>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with the
>>>>>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to pick
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments, as
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in useful at
>>>>>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets of
>>>>>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go check
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used. Do
>>>>>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because it'll
>>>>>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're happy
>>>>>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>>>>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know there's
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive
>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well to
>>>>>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and see
>>>>>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your
>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the fat
>>>>>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad
>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>>>>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing better
>>>>>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even for
>>>>>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order nowadays to
>>>>>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the
>>>>>>> uberly
>>>>>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on
>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok,
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're not
>>>>>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>>>>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi scott.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>>>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so yeah,
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>>>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio interface.
>>>>>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want. What
>>>>>>>> should i do then?
>>>>>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the audio
>>>>>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>>>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>    From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like you're
>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are mimicking
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal
>>>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording guitar
>>>>>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of worrying
>>>>>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I find
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step,
>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing from
>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby
>>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your guitar
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around in
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired up
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar is
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great heavy
>>>>>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing playing,
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually
>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run
>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded a
>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with, one
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time to
>>>>>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose what
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all
>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until everything
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot of
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because
>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList who
>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how can i
>>>>>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i got
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think from
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because i
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big hissing
>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a
>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this
>>>>>>>>>> off,
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and is
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of
>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low. if i
>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a very
>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
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