[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Alex H. linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
Thu Oct 30 13:45:00 EDT 2014 

I use NVDA with Recabinet. The interface is a bear for two reasons, though:
1. Shift-P dialog doesn't have any effect on any parameter, except
dynamics and some EQ params, but you cannot change cabinets.
Useful...not.
I worked around this with the hotspotNkockoff thing Jim posted way
back, and before that I used the OCR addon for NVDA and scanned the
plug interface.
I made a bunch of presets of stuff I thought sounded cool; you may
have those if you want them.

In short, then, recabinet is an access nightmare without presets. Who
wants to take 20 minutes to figure out how to change a cabinet? LOL :)
With presets and/or patience, though, it's quite a nice bit of kit.

Hope this helps.
Alex

On 10/30/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
> Hello Alex
>
> Thanks for your great tips,
> I currently do not own any real amps or cabinets, I'm waiting to get
> more bucks so maybe i could go for  a nice set of rig, but it's a long
> way to go. till then, I'm trying to get as much as quality as i can get
> from  amp simulations, because both for  playing live/recording I should
> use  them.
> I might buy recabinet, but how's the accessibility on this software?
> Do you use jaws or NVDA to work with it? Does it require scripts?
> I have listened to some songs using recabinet in youtube, and they sound
> so awesome, even with  lepou lecto!
>
>
> On 10/30/2014 6:12 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>> Hi Hadi,
>>
>> I'm a bit late on this, but for reaVerb, set wet level to 0, dry to
>> infinite as Scott said.
>>
>> The reaEq is really quite good, and once you get comfortable with
>> tweaking and find a good sound, you could add reaComp or reaXComp at
>> the end of the chain (after reaVerb with a cab IR loaded). You don't
>> need to worry about this really, but it could help make a phat sound
>> even more beafy.
>>
>> If you're interested in using other cab sims, there's affordable
>> Recabinet, Mercuriall Cab (which is free), and if you wanna dish out
>> some bucks, Waves has a nice set of guitar plugs, which to some degree
>> or other are accessible enough using the shift-P dialog. One reason
>> you'd want to get another cab sim is if you play live through your
>> track when recording, or just jamming out. The reaVerb latency
>> irritates me. You can set the Max FFT size to 32 for now if that's an
>> issue as well.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 10/29/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> Hi scott
>>> Thanks for your great advise.
>>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound, but I
>>> have a problem.
>>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain easily in
>>> the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet
>>> simulation?
>>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for reaVerb?
>>> is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>>> Thanks scott
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Hi dude,
>>>>
>>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is probably for
>>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so start with
>>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what that
>>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new plugin, I
>>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst tweaking
>>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play well
>>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a loop.
>>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with the
>>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to pick up
>>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments, as well
>>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're going to
>>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in useful at
>>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets of
>>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go check out
>>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used. Do
>>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because it'll
>>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're happy
>>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run the same
>>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know there's only
>>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive placed
>>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well to
>>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and see
>>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your world
>>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound so that
>>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the fat
>>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad tracking
>>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar sound
>>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing better
>>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even for
>>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order nowadays to
>>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the uberly
>>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on commercial
>>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok, that's
>>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're not
>>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi scott.
>>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so yeah, my
>>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio interface.
>>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want. What
>>>>> should i do then?
>>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the audio
>>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>    From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like you're
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are mimicking the
>>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal chain.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording guitar
>>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and look
>>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of worrying
>>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often when
>>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I find that
>>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins start
>>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step, turn
>>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing from
>>>>>> this,
>>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby electronics
>>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your guitar is
>>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around in your
>>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired up as
>>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar is in
>>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great heavy
>>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing playing, so
>>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually playing
>>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters. Sometimes,
>>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run through
>>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded a few
>>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with, one of
>>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time to
>>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose what I'm
>>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all well
>>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until everything is
>>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because they're
>>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList who
>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how can i
>>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i got a
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think from
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because i don't
>>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big hissing sound
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a regular
>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this off,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and is not
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of  electric
>>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low. if i try
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a very
>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
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