[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Thu Oct 30 10:00:13 EDT 2014

Yeah, not a convolution plugin. I personally use Waves IR.

On 10/30/2014 9:34 AM, Ken Downey wrote:
> Freeverb, in my oppinion, is the best set of reverb plugins you'll find,
> though I'm not sure it has cabinet verbs.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hadi Rezaee" <hadirezaei at gmx.com>
> To: <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?
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>> Hi scott
>> Thanks for your great advise.
>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound, but I
>> have a problem.
>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain easily
>> in the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet simulation?
>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for
>> reaVerb? is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>> Thanks scott
>>
>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> Hi dude,
>>>
>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is probably for
>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so start with
>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what that
>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new plugin, I
>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst tweaking
>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play well
>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a loop.
>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with the
>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to pick up
>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments, as well
>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're going to
>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in useful at
>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets of
>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go check out
>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used. Do
>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because it'll
>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're happy
>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run the same
>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know there's only
>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive placed
>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well to
>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and see
>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your world
>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound so that
>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the fat
>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad tracking
>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar sound
>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing better
>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even for
>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order nowadays to
>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the uberly
>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on commercial
>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok, that's
>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>
>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're not
>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi scott.
>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so yeah, my
>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio interface.
>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want. What
>>>> should i do then?
>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the audio
>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>   From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like you're
>>>>> running
>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are mimicking the
>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal chain. I
>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording guitar
>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and look
>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of worrying
>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often when
>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I find that
>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins start
>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step, turn
>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing from this,
>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby electronics
>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your guitar is
>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around in your
>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired up as
>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar is in
>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great heavy
>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing playing, so
>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually playing
>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters. Sometimes,
>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run through
>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded a few
>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with, one of
>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time to
>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose what I'm
>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all well
>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until everything is
>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot of people
>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because they're
>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList who
>>>>>> produce
>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how can i
>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i got
>>>>>> a very
>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think from this
>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because i don't
>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big hissing
>>>>>> sound in
>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a regular
>>>>>> amp
>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this off,
>>>>>> so i
>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and is
>>>>>> not too
>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of  electric
>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low. if i
>>>>>> try to
>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a very bad
>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
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