[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Sat Nov 1 12:36:30 EDT 2014

I'm a bit late to this thread, but you guys have mentioned a lot of
great Reaper FX here. I wonder where you get some of these from?
Thanks.

On 11/1/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex!
> Thanks a lot for these!
> I'll check them out and reply
>
> On 10/31/2014 8:35 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>> Here are my recab presets
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4425568/recab.rpl?dl
>>
>> I'll write over the weekend and ask if anything's changed access wise
>> in version 4 too.
>>
>> peace,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 10/31/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Alex!
>>> Do you attach them via the mail?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2014 6:28 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Dude, contact him again and ask if anything got looked at and what's
>>>> likely to change in version 4? It's about the least hassling-looking
>>>> way of hassling someone isn't it :P
>>>>
>>>> On 10/31/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Hadi, Scott,
>>>>>
>>>>> First, Hadi, if you can see you can load wav files in recabinet. No
>>>>> way to do it using hacky things called screen readers, I'm afraid. :(
>>>>> The initial idea was you could blend external IRs and the builtin
>>>>> Recab ones, and make a huge tone. I don't wanna get into making
>>>>> foldres for each guit track and blending IR outputs right now, but it
>>>>> could be done using multiple plugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not tried Recabinet 4 yet, I'm kinda waiting for a demo version
>>>>> to come out to see if access has improved or worsened, but it's
>>>>> frustratingly still not up for grabs on the site. I might just go buy
>>>>> it anyway but I'll be bummed if it's worse than 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll post the reaper presets.ini file of my recab presets (not gonna
>>>>> export 30 fxps...).
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott, it's really the luck of the draw. You might try forcing reaper
>>>>> to load each plug in its own process so it's able to be alt-tabbed to,
>>>>> and then scan the window. More often than not I get the same thing you
>>>>> do, though. It takes anywhere from half an hour to an hour to make 1
>>>>> preset.Yay staying up all night on weekends! :D
>>>>>
>>>>> I did contact Shane at Kazrog to see what he could do, only thing I
>>>>> got was "we'll look into it," which while boring and generic, was at
>>>>> least better than NI/IK Multimedia's non-response.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Probably a mute question Alex, but have you been in touch with the
>>>>>> developer of ReCabinet to explain how useful them sorting out the
>>>>>> automation parameters would be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, how do you get anything useful out of OCR with NVDA? I mean,
>>>>>> sometimes I get results from it (it seems to do a good job of iLok
>>>>>> related errors), but I'm guessing it's not replicating the screen
>>>>>> layout, because whenever I've moused over the text it's picked up
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> a button and clicked it's had no affect. What am I missing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I use NVDA with Recabinet. The interface is a bear for two reasons,
>>>>>>> though:
>>>>>>> 1. Shift-P dialog doesn't have any effect on any parameter, except
>>>>>>> dynamics and some EQ params, but you cannot change cabinets.
>>>>>>> Useful...not.
>>>>>>> I worked around this with the hotspotNkockoff thing Jim posted way
>>>>>>> back, and before that I used the OCR addon for NVDA and scanned the
>>>>>>> plug interface.
>>>>>>> I made a bunch of presets of stuff I thought sounded cool; you may
>>>>>>> have those if you want them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short, then, recabinet is an access nightmare without presets.
>>>>>>> Who
>>>>>>> wants to take 20 minutes to figure out how to change a cabinet? LOL
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>> With presets and/or patience, though, it's quite a nice bit of kit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your great tips,
>>>>>>>> I currently do not own any real amps or cabinets, I'm waiting to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> more bucks so maybe i could go for  a nice set of rig, but it's a
>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>> way to go. till then, I'm trying to get as much as quality as i can
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> from  amp simulations, because both for  playing live/recording I
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> use  them.
>>>>>>>> I might buy recabinet, but how's the accessibility on this
>>>>>>>> software?
>>>>>>>> Do you use jaws or NVDA to work with it? Does it require scripts?
>>>>>>>> I have listened to some songs using recabinet in youtube, and they
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>> so awesome, even with  lepou lecto!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/30/2014 6:12 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Hadi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm a bit late on this, but for reaVerb, set wet level to 0, dry
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> infinite as Scott said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The reaEq is really quite good, and once you get comfortable with
>>>>>>>>> tweaking and find a good sound, you could add reaComp or reaXComp
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> the end of the chain (after reaVerb with a cab IR loaded). You
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> need to worry about this really, but it could help make a phat
>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>> even more beafy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're interested in using other cab sims, there's affordable
>>>>>>>>> Recabinet, Mercuriall Cab (which is free), and if you wanna dish
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> some bucks, Waves has a nice set of guitar plugs, which to some
>>>>>>>>> degree
>>>>>>>>> or other are accessible enough using the shift-P dialog. One
>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>> you'd want to get another cab sim is if you play live through your
>>>>>>>>> track when recording, or just jamming out. The reaVerb latency
>>>>>>>>> irritates me. You can set the Max FFT size to 32 for now if that's
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> issue as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi scott
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your great advise.
>>>>>>>>>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>>>>>>>>>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have a problem.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain
>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>>>>>>>>>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet
>>>>>>>>>> simulation?
>>>>>>>>>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for
>>>>>>>>>> reaVerb?
>>>>>>>>>> is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>>>>>>>>>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi dude,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is
>>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so
>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new
>>>>>>>>>>> plugin,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst
>>>>>>>>>>> tweaking
>>>>>>>>>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play
>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a
>>>>>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>>>>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to
>>>>>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments,
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're
>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in
>>>>>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go
>>>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used.
>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because
>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're
>>>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>>>>>>>>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know
>>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive
>>>>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>>>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and
>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your
>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the
>>>>>>>>>>> fat
>>>>>>>>>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad
>>>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>>>>>>>>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order
>>>>>>>>>>> nowadays
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the
>>>>>>>>>>> uberly
>>>>>>>>>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on
>>>>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>>>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok,
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>>>>>>>>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi scott.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>>>>>>>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so
>>>>>>>>>>>> yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> interface.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>> should i do then?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>>>>>>>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mimicking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby
>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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