[RWP] How to clean up guitar amp sim noises?

Sat Nov 1 12:01:20 EDT 2014

Hi Alex!
Thanks a lot for these!
I'll check them out and reply

On 10/31/2014 8:35 PM, Alex H. wrote:
> Here are my recab presets
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4425568/recab.rpl?dl
>
> I'll write over the weekend and ask if anything's changed access wise
> in version 4 too.
>
> peace,
> Alex
>
> On 10/31/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Alex!
>> Do you attach them via the mail?
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2014 6:28 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> Dude, contact him again and ask if anything got looked at and what's
>>> likely to change in version 4? It's about the least hassling-looking
>>> way of hassling someone isn't it :P
>>>
>>> On 10/31/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hadi, Scott,
>>>>
>>>> First, Hadi, if you can see you can load wav files in recabinet. No
>>>> way to do it using hacky things called screen readers, I'm afraid. :(
>>>> The initial idea was you could blend external IRs and the builtin
>>>> Recab ones, and make a huge tone. I don't wanna get into making
>>>> foldres for each guit track and blending IR outputs right now, but it
>>>> could be done using multiple plugs.
>>>>
>>>> I've not tried Recabinet 4 yet, I'm kinda waiting for a demo version
>>>> to come out to see if access has improved or worsened, but it's
>>>> frustratingly still not up for grabs on the site. I might just go buy
>>>> it anyway but I'll be bummed if it's worse than 3.
>>>>
>>>> I'll post the reaper presets.ini file of my recab presets (not gonna
>>>> export 30 fxps...).
>>>>
>>>> Scott, it's really the luck of the draw. You might try forcing reaper
>>>> to load each plug in its own process so it's able to be alt-tabbed to,
>>>> and then scan the window. More often than not I get the same thing you
>>>> do, though. It takes anywhere from half an hour to an hour to make 1
>>>> preset.Yay staying up all night on weekends! :D
>>>>
>>>> I did contact Shane at Kazrog to see what he could do, only thing I
>>>> got was "we'll look into it," which while boring and generic, was at
>>>> least better than NI/IK Multimedia's non-response.
>>>>
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Probably a mute question Alex, but have you been in touch with the
>>>>> developer of ReCabinet to explain how useful them sorting out the
>>>>> automation parameters would be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, how do you get anything useful out of OCR with NVDA? I mean,
>>>>> sometimes I get results from it (it seems to do a good job of iLok
>>>>> related errors), but I'm guessing it's not replicating the screen
>>>>> layout, because whenever I've moused over the text it's picked up from
>>>>> a button and clicked it's had no affect. What am I missing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/14, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I use NVDA with Recabinet. The interface is a bear for two reasons,
>>>>>> though:
>>>>>> 1. Shift-P dialog doesn't have any effect on any parameter, except
>>>>>> dynamics and some EQ params, but you cannot change cabinets.
>>>>>> Useful...not.
>>>>>> I worked around this with the hotspotNkockoff thing Jim posted way
>>>>>> back, and before that I used the OCR addon for NVDA and scanned the
>>>>>> plug interface.
>>>>>> I made a bunch of presets of stuff I thought sounded cool; you may
>>>>>> have those if you want them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, then, recabinet is an access nightmare without presets. Who
>>>>>> wants to take 20 minutes to figure out how to change a cabinet? LOL :)
>>>>>> With presets and/or patience, though, it's quite a nice bit of kit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your great tips,
>>>>>>> I currently do not own any real amps or cabinets, I'm waiting to get
>>>>>>> more bucks so maybe i could go for  a nice set of rig, but it's a
>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>> way to go. till then, I'm trying to get as much as quality as i can
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> from  amp simulations, because both for  playing live/recording I
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> use  them.
>>>>>>> I might buy recabinet, but how's the accessibility on this software?
>>>>>>> Do you use jaws or NVDA to work with it? Does it require scripts?
>>>>>>> I have listened to some songs using recabinet in youtube, and they
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> so awesome, even with  lepou lecto!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/30/2014 6:12 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Hadi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm a bit late on this, but for reaVerb, set wet level to 0, dry to
>>>>>>>> infinite as Scott said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reaEq is really quite good, and once you get comfortable with
>>>>>>>> tweaking and find a good sound, you could add reaComp or reaXComp at
>>>>>>>> the end of the chain (after reaVerb with a cab IR loaded). You don't
>>>>>>>> need to worry about this really, but it could help make a phat sound
>>>>>>>> even more beafy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're interested in using other cab sims, there's affordable
>>>>>>>> Recabinet, Mercuriall Cab (which is free), and if you wanna dish out
>>>>>>>> some bucks, Waves has a nice set of guitar plugs, which to some
>>>>>>>> degree
>>>>>>>> or other are accessible enough using the shift-P dialog. One reason
>>>>>>>> you'd want to get another cab sim is if you play live through your
>>>>>>>> track when recording, or just jamming out. The reaVerb latency
>>>>>>>> irritates me. You can set the Max FFT size to 32 for now if that's
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> issue as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/29/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi scott
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your great advise.
>>>>>>>>> So, first step, drop that gain down on the audio interface.
>>>>>>>>> Now, I need to play with  the plugins to  boost that amp sound, but
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> have a problem.
>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to move the VST plugins up and down in a chain
>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the fx window? because i don't know how to do that, and i end up
>>>>>>>>> deleting everything in the chain, and re-adding the plugins.
>>>>>>>>> Secondly, Is ReaVerb the only option that we have for cabinet
>>>>>>>>> simulation?
>>>>>>>>> If so, do you have any ideas that how much wet should i set for
>>>>>>>>> reaVerb?
>>>>>>>>> is 0 a good number? 0.0 that is.
>>>>>>>>> third, Do you know of a good EQ plugin that you would use dayly?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 1:54 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi dude,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yup, definitely back off the gain then! The next stage is probably
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> you to spend time figuring out how your plugins respond, so start
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the amp set flat and tinker with each control to figure out what
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> adds or subtracts sound-wise. When I'm getting to know a new
>>>>>>>>>> plugin,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> try to split my time fairly evenly between playing whilst tweaking
>>>>>>>>>> controls, as well as pre-recording a few riffs I know I'll play
>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>> and just concentrating on the amp controls with those riffs on a
>>>>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>>>>> Reason being that this way, you're still spending some time with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> plugin as a guitar player, and your brain will get a chance to
>>>>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> on what feels different as a player when you make adjustments, as
>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>> as learning what your new plugin can do clinically. If you're
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be recording yourself, both of those mindsets will come in useful
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> different stages of the recording. If you can get at the presets
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> whatever plugin you're using, find some that you like and go check
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> the controls with that preset loaded to see how it's being used.
>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>> the same for presets that you really don't like too, because it'll
>>>>>>>>>> probably save you some time further down the line. When you're
>>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>> that you've found a plugin that you're able to dial up something
>>>>>>>>>> consistent, throw in that Tubescreamer before the amp and run the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> experiment to find out what difference that makes. I know there's
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> 2 or 3 controls on a Tubescreamer, but they're very interactive
>>>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>>>> in front of a heavily driven amp, and not all plugs respond well
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> them. After that, read up on EQ, watch some tutorials etc, and see
>>>>>>>>>> whether you can learn to identify the frequencies that rock your
>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>> as well as the ones that could be cut out of your guitar sound so
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> there's more chance the good stuff will get heard. Most of the fat
>>>>>>>>>> sound you're looking for will likely come from double or quad
>>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>>> your guitar parts, but if you can double or quad track a guitar
>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>> that's great to start with instead of double or quad tracking
>>>>>>>>>> everything to disguise a pants guitar tone, then you're doing
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> than most people already. Keep in mind at all times that even for
>>>>>>>>>> people who do this stuff for a living, it's a tall order nowadays
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> get the sound of a single guitar track to stack up against the
>>>>>>>>>> uberly
>>>>>>>>>> processed multi-amp and multi-mic rigs people are using on
>>>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>>>> records, so if it sounds small on its own, that's probably ok,
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>> what multitracking will fix.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope that all makes sense. Shout if I've used any terms you're not
>>>>>>>>>> familiar with. It sounds like quite a time and energy investment
>>>>>>>>>> written down, but it's even more so in real life :P
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi scott.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying!
>>>>>>>>>>> My gain on the audio interface was all the way to the end. so
>>>>>>>>>>> yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> gain was fully hot!
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know i have to bring down the gain my my audio
>>>>>>>>>>> interface.
>>>>>>>>>>> If i do that, my electric guitar won't sound as fat as i want.
>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>> should i do then?
>>>>>>>>>>> I need to get that thick sound, so for that i increase the audio
>>>>>>>>>>> interface gain. am i doing the wrong thing? (I think i am)
>>>>>>>>>>> So what should i do then!
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/2014 12:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>      From a quick listen on laptop speakers, it sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>> into that amp sim way too hot. Remember, these sims are
>>>>>>>>>>>> mimicking
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> response of a real amp as closely as possible, and a real amp
>>>>>>>>>>>> generally doesn't have a heap of gain before it in the signal
>>>>>>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to encourage bad habits, but when I'm recording
>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>> through plugins like that, I pretty much ignore the meters and
>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the most realistic feel from the software instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying
>>>>>>>>>>>> about getting a level that's deemed to be good practice. Often
>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mixing stuff for people who have recorded themselves, I find
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trimming 30 DB or more off of DI guitars before my plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>> responding anything like real-world amps. So yeah, first step,
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>>> down the gain on your interface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Couldn't get any sense of what style pickups you're playing from
>>>>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but they're also going to raise the noise floor. Nearby
>>>>>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>>>>>> could also be adding to that, so unless you're certain your
>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> well shielded it'd be worth spending a minute spinning around in
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> chair, walking around the room a bit etc with everything wired
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> you usually would to see if there's a place where that guitar is
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> its happy place. It's also worth noting that a lot of great
>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar sounds are just noisy as hell when there's nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> playing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> concentrate on the sounds you're getting when you're actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>> music first and foremost. That's the stuff that matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's just gonna be noisy as hell and you're gonna have to run
>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>> the song to clean up the exposed gaps manually. I've recorded a
>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>> real amps where the hiss alone was scary to be in a room with,
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> those situations if someone decides this is the perfect time to
>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, then you're instantly dead by shred lol. I suppose
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> saying is that concentrating on cleaning up your sounds is all
>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>> and good, but don't get fooled into not recording until
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect, because it's rare that anyone gets there, and a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> never end up recording anything that they care about because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck down that rabbit hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck, and keep us posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/14, Hadi Rezaee <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are very great members in this MailingList
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome content even with limited resources.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need some advice/instructions about guitar sims, and how can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decrease their hiss, and fuzz sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that everything  in my physical environment is ok, i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great cable with a scarlett 8i6 audio interface, so I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspect, I should not get any noise or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's my REAPER FX chain, that i normally use:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tse tube screamer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lepou lecto
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaVerb with some great mesa boogi cabs, (god cabs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's all I've got. I have no  noise gates, no EQ, (Because i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know how to work with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, when i crank up the input, There's a big hissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the background, even when i'm not playing. It looks like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hissing sound, but it's just too loud, and I want to cut this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could record without any  hissing noises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I think the sound is having a little bit of fuz, and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> warm for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to try to  achieve that big,  smooth warm sound of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a simple test that you can hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87868354/Hadi_guitar_tone_test.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, by the way, as you see, my  vollume is kind of.. low. if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise reaper's master vollume, or the track vollume, i get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buzzing sound on the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone help me with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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