[RWP] Automation

Wed May 28 23:20:08 EDT 2014

Hey Jim, if someone as brilliant as you are is having trouble with 
reaper, I don't feel quite so bad 'grin'.

I'm so comfused 'grin'.

But I'll get there eventually.

On 5/28/2014 9:04 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Oh, Ok,  I didn't see this reply.
> So, the moral of the story is, make sure your mistakes are always 
> committed in the last automation set in the project.  That should be 
> easy.  <grin>
>
> If you want to go back, and redo some automation at the start, you 
> will lose everything from that point, on to the end of the project.  
> Sorry for bringing us back around the circle to already covered 
> ground.  But, I never did get it really sorted out in my head, the 
> meaning of the various reaper automation modes, touch, and latch, and 
> all that groovy stuff.  The terminology doesn't make any sense to me.  
> It's like it was made up by geeky fluffbags who don't speak the king's 
> english.  In one mode, as I recall, you can control automation in some 
> region.  And, then when you stop recording, the automated values jump 
> back to the values they had prior to the automation punch in.  In 
> another, they get extended to the end.
> I remember the controversy about why don't they stay where you left 
> them. But, I think I  now remember what Derek is referring to here,  
> How you would cursor to just prior to the end of that automation 
> session, and could then use this action to extend those settings to 
> the end.
>
> But, let me be concrete for a moment, just because I'm a slow 
> learner.  Say I have a 3 minute song.  I did some automation recording 
> in the third minute, and I like it.  I want to keep it.
> Now, I review the song, and decide to do a little automation in the 
> second minute.  My first attempt is characteristically muffed.  But, 
> when I ended that second minute session, won't values fly back to 
> where they were in the first minute?  That is where my third minute 
> session expected them to be anyway.  So, it should have the same 
> starting connditions, with or without my second minute tweaks.   So, 
> now what happens if I go back to the start of the second minute, and 
> just start recording automation again, right over the top of my 
> fluffed attempt.  What happens?
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>
>
>> You can... kind of.
>> I say that because you can either delete the content of your project 
>> where the automation exists, or go before the offending automation 
>> movements and perform an action called something like write current 
>> values from cursor to end of project.
>> The downside to doing that is that you have a situation where you 
>> can't make any changes in the project which stick after they are made 
>> because automation is only overwritten when its being written/latched 
>> etc.
>>
>> In other words, if after performing this action to correct an error, 
>> you have a situation where, given a chance, volumes/panning etc. will 
>> just boink back to where your values were set where the values were 
>> initially written.
>> The way to sort that is to place your cursor at the point just before 
>> things jump, then do another pass writing values from the cursor to 
>> the end.
>> This as of reaaccess version latest.whatever, and reaper version 3.78
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> You can't even delete it and start again?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2014 7:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>> I have a bcf2000, and really like it.
>>>> Once you set it to mackie universal control, you're set.
>>>> This is done by pressing the top left button in the bank of 16 
>>>> buttons, while turning the power on.
>>>> Turn the bcf off again, and then back on, and you're in universal 
>>>> control mode.
>>>> However, we have no means of editing automation at this point, so 
>>>> although volume/pan/etc. can be automated, its almost impossible to 
>>>> make any changes after the fact.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger" 
>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of this fade curve issue. How are people fairing with the 
>>>>> BCF2000, and the ability to record fader movements on the fly?
>>>>> I know we talked a bunch about this automation thing a while back, 
>>>>> and I lost track of where we are.  Does anybody her have a BCf, or 
>>>>> BCR? What are your experiences with that?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a look ahead parameter as part of reacomp, which takes 
>>>>>> care of that.
>>>>>> However, I've used splitting items, each at different volumes, 
>>>>>> and growing/shrinking them to get the exact timing and curve I want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger" 
>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, of course, if you want the slow duck to start ahead of the 
>>>>>>> voice, so the music is already down by the time speech starts, 
>>>>>>> you have a more complicated situation.
>>>>>>> You can probabl bring delays into the circuit to achieve that. 
>>>>>>> But, manual ducking really does lend itself to a more flexible 
>>>>>>> profile.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOreoMonster" 
>>>>>>> <TheOreoMonster at reaperacc.es>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Play with the attack and release times, attack set how quickly 
>>>>>>>> the compressor kicks in, and release how quickly it kicks off.
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Jes <jessmith at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm not doing something right, but I find that using a 
>>>>>>>>> compressor to duck down a music track while a voice track is 
>>>>>>>>> going just doesn't sound as natural as a manual do it yourself 
>>>>>>>>> good oale fassioned fade down, like you can make with sound 
>>>>>>>>> forge. To me, manually fading down music while talking and 
>>>>>>>>> fading it back up cannot be beat using an automated plugin. I 
>>>>>>>>> find that reacomp fades the music down way too quickly, and 
>>>>>>>>> then fades it up so quickly that it's not even noticable. 
>>>>>>>>> Again, maybe I'm not doing something right. Any thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>>
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