[RWP] Automation

Derek Lane derek at pdaudio.net
Wed May 28 23:14:49 EDT 2014 

You asked:  "So, now what happens if I go back to the start of the 
second minute, and just start recording automation again, right over the 
top of my fluffed attempt.  What happens?"
At least with automation with my bcf, things fight each other unless you 
overright what existed first.

On 5/28/2014 10:04 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> Oh, Ok,  I didn't see this reply.
> So, the moral of the story is, make sure your mistakes are always 
> committed in the last automation set in the project.  That should be 
> easy.  <grin>
>
> If you want to go back, and redo some automation at the start, you 
> will lose everything from that point, on to the end of the project.  
> Sorry for bringing us back around the circle to already covered 
> ground.  But, I never did get it really sorted out in my head, the 
> meaning of the various reaper automation modes, touch, and latch, and 
> all that groovy stuff.  The terminology doesn't make any sense to me.  
> It's like it was made up by geeky fluffbags who don't speak the king's 
> english.  In one mode, as I recall, you can control automation in some 
> region.  And, then when you stop recording, the automated values jump 
> back to the values they had prior to the automation punch in.  In 
> another, they get extended to the end.
> I remember the controversy about why don't they stay where you left 
> them. But, I think I  now remember what Derek is referring to here,  
> How you would cursor to just prior to the end of that automation 
> session, and could then use this action to extend those settings to 
> the end.
>
> But, let me be concrete for a moment, just because I'm a slow 
> learner.  Say I have a 3 minute song.  I did some automation recording 
> in the third minute, and I like it.  I want to keep it.
> Now, I review the song, and decide to do a little automation in the 
> second minute.  My first attempt is characteristically muffed.  But, 
> when I ended that second minute session, won't values fly back to 
> where they were in the first minute?  That is where my third minute 
> session expected them to be anyway.  So, it should have the same 
> starting connditions, with or without my second minute tweaks.   So, 
> now what happens if I go back to the start of the second minute, and 
> just start recording automation again, right over the top of my 
> fluffed attempt.  What happens?
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>
>
>> You can... kind of.
>> I say that because you can either delete the content of your project 
>> where the automation exists, or go before the offending automation 
>> movements and perform an action called something like write current 
>> values from cursor to end of project.
>> The downside to doing that is that you have a situation where you 
>> can't make any changes in the project which stick after they are made 
>> because automation is only overwritten when its being written/latched 
>> etc.
>>
>> In other words, if after performing this action to correct an error, 
>> you have a situation where, given a chance, volumes/panning etc. will 
>> just boink back to where your values were set where the values were 
>> initially written.
>> The way to sort that is to place your cursor at the point just before 
>> things jump, then do another pass writing values from the cursor to 
>> the end.
>> This as of reaaccess version latest.whatever, and reaper version 3.78
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>>
>>
>>> You can't even delete it and start again?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2014 7:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>>> I have a bcf2000, and really like it.
>>>> Once you set it to mackie universal control, you're set.
>>>> This is done by pressing the top left button in the bank of 16 
>>>> buttons, while turning the power on.
>>>> Turn the bcf off again, and then back on, and you're in universal 
>>>> control mode.
>>>> However, we have no means of editing automation at this point, so 
>>>> although volume/pan/etc. can be automated, its almost impossible to 
>>>> make any changes after the fact.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger" 
>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [RWP] Automation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of this fade curve issue. How are people fairing with the 
>>>>> BCF2000, and the ability to record fader movements on the fly?
>>>>> I know we talked a bunch about this automation thing a while back, 
>>>>> and I lost track of where we are.  Does anybody her have a BCf, or 
>>>>> BCR? What are your experiences with that?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a look ahead parameter as part of reacomp, which takes 
>>>>>> care of that.
>>>>>> However, I've used splitting items, each at different volumes, 
>>>>>> and growing/shrinking them to get the exact timing and curve I want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger" 
>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, of course, if you want the slow duck to start ahead of the 
>>>>>>> voice, so the music is already down by the time speech starts, 
>>>>>>> you have a more complicated situation.
>>>>>>> You can probabl bring delays into the circuit to achieve that. 
>>>>>>> But, manual ducking really does lend itself to a more flexible 
>>>>>>> profile.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOreoMonster" 
>>>>>>> <TheOreoMonster at reaperacc.es>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Play with the attack and release times, attack set how quickly 
>>>>>>>> the compressor kicks in, and release how quickly it kicks off.
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Jes <jessmith at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm not doing something right, but I find that using a 
>>>>>>>>> compressor to duck down a music track while a voice track is 
>>>>>>>>> going just doesn't sound as natural as a manual do it yourself 
>>>>>>>>> good oale fassioned fade down, like you can make with sound 
>>>>>>>>> forge. To me, manually fading down music while talking and 
>>>>>>>>> fading it back up cannot be beat using an automated plugin. I 
>>>>>>>>> find that reacomp fades the music down way too quickly, and 
>>>>>>>>> then fades it up so quickly that it's not even noticable. 
>>>>>>>>> Again, maybe I'm not doing something right. Any thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>>
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