[RWP] Automation

Wed May 28 22:04:48 EDT 2014

Oh, Ok,  I didn't see this reply.
So, the moral of the story is, make sure your mistakes are always committed 
in the last automation set in the project.  That should be easy.  <grin>

If you want to go back, and redo some automation at the start, you will lose 
everything from that point, on to the end of the project.  Sorry for 
bringing us back around the circle to already covered ground.  But, I never 
did get it really sorted out in my head, the meaning of the various reaper 
automation modes, touch, and latch, and all that groovy stuff.  The 
terminology doesn't make any sense to me.  It's like it was made up by geeky 
fluffbags who don't speak the king's english.  In one mode, as I recall, you 
can control automation in some region.  And, then when you stop recording, 
the automated values jump back to the values they had prior to the 
automation punch in.  In another, they get extended to the end.
I remember the controversy about why don't they stay where you left them. 
But, I think I  now remember what Derek is referring to here,  How you would 
cursor to just prior to the end of that automation session, and could then 
use this action to extend those settings to the end.

But, let me be concrete for a moment, just because I'm a slow learner.  Say 
I have a 3 minute song.  I did some automation recording in the third 
minute, and I like it.  I want to keep it.
Now, I review the song, and decide to do a little automation in the second 
minute.  My first attempt is characteristically muffed.  But, when I ended 
that second minute session, won't values fly back to where they were in the 
first minute?  That is where my third minute session expected them to be 
anyway.  So, it should have the same starting connditions, with or without 
my second minute tweaks.   So, now what happens if I go back to the start of 
the second minute, and just start recording automation again, right over the 
top of my fluffed attempt.  What happens?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation

> You can... kind of.
> I say that because you can either delete the content of your project where 
> the automation exists, or go before the offending automation movements and 
> perform an action called something like write current values from cursor 
> to end of project.
> The downside to doing that is that you have a situation where you can't 
> make any changes in the project which stick after they are made because 
> automation is only overwritten when its being written/latched etc.
>
> In other words, if after performing this action to correct an error, you 
> have a situation where, given a chance, volumes/panning etc. will just 
> boink back to where your values were set where the values were initially 
> written.
> The way to sort that is to place your cursor at the point just before 
> things jump, then do another pass writing values from  the cursor to the 
> end.
> This as of reaaccess version latest.whatever, and reaper version 3.78
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Automation
>
>
>> You can't even delete it and start again?
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2014 7:12 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>> I have a bcf2000, and really like it.
>>> Once you set it to mackie universal control, you're set.
>>> This is done by pressing the top left button in the bank of 16 buttons, 
>>> while turning the power on.
>>> Turn the bcf off again, and then back on, and you're in universal 
>>> control mode.
>>> However, we have no means of editing automation at this point, so 
>>> although volume/pan/etc. can be automated, its almost impossible to make 
>>> any changes after the fact.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger" 
>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: [RWP] Automation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speaking of this fade curve issue.  How are people fairing with the 
>>>> BCF2000, and the ability to record fader movements on the fly?
>>>> I know we talked a bunch about this automation thing a while back, and 
>>>> I lost track of where we are.  Does anybody her have a BCf, or BCR? 
>>>> What are your experiences with that?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lane" <derek at pdaudio.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is a look ahead parameter as part of reacomp, which takes care 
>>>>> of that.
>>>>> However, I've used splitting items, each at different volumes, and 
>>>>> growing/shrinking them to get the exact timing and curve I want.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger" 
>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> But, of course, if you want the slow duck to start ahead of the 
>>>>>> voice, so the music is already down by the time speech starts, you 
>>>>>> have a more complicated situation.
>>>>>> You can probabl bring delays into the circuit to achieve that. 
>>>>>> But, manual ducking really does lend itself to a more flexible 
>>>>>> profile.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOreoMonster" 
>>>>>> <TheOreoMonster at reaperacc.es>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Just my opinion, ducking and reacomp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Play with the attack and release times, attack set how quickly the 
>>>>>>> compressor kicks in, and release how quickly it kicks off.
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Jes <jessmith at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm not doing something right, but I find that using a 
>>>>>>>> compressor to duck down a music track while a voice track is going 
>>>>>>>> just doesn't sound as natural as a manual do it yourself good oale 
>>>>>>>> fassioned fade down, like you can make with sound forge. To me, 
>>>>>>>> manually fading down music while talking and fading it back up 
>>>>>>>> cannot be beat using an automated plugin. I find that reacomp fades 
>>>>>>>> the music down way too quickly, and then fades it up so quickly 
>>>>>>>> that it's not even noticable. Again, maybe I'm not doing something 
>>>>>>>> right. Any thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>
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