[RWP] getting a mac for reaper what's the deal??

Fri May 16 08:01:14 EDT 2014

Does Jim do stuff with memory voltage, timing and such? I have a DAW 
that uses a Gigabite motherboard with not so awesome DPC latency, though 
it generally runs OK for the projects I do. Looked around on some forums 
where people with my board were able to get values in the low single 
digits (2/5) under Windows 7, so was wondering if there is something to 
that.
I turned of HPET, which helped slightly.

On 5/15/2014 3:38 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> Well, problem is with many of these new motherboards, things like
> defeating the hpet and such are no longer an option.
>
> And mac ofcourse uses a custom uefi and you can't tweak it.
>
> Well, if you had the right tools, you cold tweak anything, but the
> average person can't tweak it.
>
> 100 is right a the break point, I had a student who got a machine from
> Jim, but Jim isn't always thke fastest because he's a one horse
> operation, and this cat got impatient and sent his machine to someone
> else to fix.
>
> Well it dcame back, and the machine that used to run at 30 or less with
> dpc ran at 100 and all his sonar projects wouldn't run anymore unless he
> froze tracks and such.
>
> so yes, you can get by with middling dpc latencies, but you will be
> bothered with resource management much more than if your machine ran at
> 30 or lower.
>
> The motheboards that Jim uses allow for some tweaking, in respect to
> Jim, I won't give out a parts list, but I'm sure if you went and talked
> to him, he's very forth comming, and especially if you buy stuff from
> him, he isn't so close and precious like some of these daw makers are.
>
> Like that guy over at adk,
> Scot what ever his name is, him and me went round and round because they
> never would tell me what parts I was getting when I was going to buy a
> machine from dancing dots, I still bought ct from them but went to Jim
> for my hardware.
>
> I think it's a customer's right to know what your getting, and there's a
> certain amount of trust implied and a relationship when you work with
> someone like that.
>
> JIm always tells me anything I want to know, and though he states 80
> dollars for consulting fees, he gives away much more knowledge than most
> of these guys ever do and doesn't charge exra for overclocking and such,
> and all the little things and doesn't put a 10 percent charge on his
> hardware, when you get from him you just pay a straight out fee
> for his time, I priced it out and it works out to about 4 or 5 hours of
> time, but he often works longer on it, but he does the burn in test, and
> anything you want as a courtesy,
> you just can't beat that.
>
> I've bought about 6 machines from him now and all my students are
> getting from him, but don't get in a hurry sometimes it takes him a
> month or so to get caught uup.
>
> but this cat sells machines to everybody, people like Harry Potter's
> crew, and bb king's daughter, and you just wouldn't believe who.
>
> And he's not biassed either, the man has mac products, and he's used amd
> processors when they were better way back,
> my one and only gripe about his builds is that we difer just a little
> bit in our ideas about burners.
>
> I tend to like archival grade burners and he thinks off the shelf models
> are ok, which for the most part they are, but I have older clients who
> still like cds, and some of them have older cd players, some vintage
> models from the land of audiophyle gear,
> which likes cds burned slow and the latest offerings from lg and samsung
> don't go down below 16 or 24, but the sony's and some of the pioneer
> bluray burners and such will go down to 8 and 4x, which makes a big
> difference.
>
> Also I use theese military grade stone disc m disc which are a
> non-organic non dyte rock llike substance for archival purposes, and
> these special sony burners, which are needed to burn them, and he can
> get those, but i like to work with duplication specialty folks for that
> kind of thing.
>
> But that's a very small part of the deal, and he knows about all of it,
> I'm just a bit of a hardware snob when it comes to burners.
>
> for mos folks it wouldn't matter a hill of beans.
>
>
> On 5/15/2014 2:18 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Yup, no doubt that the knowledge that those chaps designing purpose
>> built DAWs have wracked up is valuable man. I haven't owned a purpose
>> built and used that day in day out yet, but I've tracked in studios
>> running machines that were purpose built from two different venders
>> and they were both solid as a rock. In this case though, where build
>> quality was the first thing that sprung to mind, you'll probably pick
>> up on why I recommended what I recommended from your time tutoring.
>>
>> BTW, I've been keeping an eye on the DPC latency of that Boot Camped
>> Macbook Pro I posted about a few days ago using the tool you
>> recommended. Seems to be running somewhere around 80 to 100. Could be
>> worse, but it could be better too. Haven't found time to read up on it
>> and see if there's anything I can tweak to get that lower yet, so if
>> you know of a good starting place, feel free to lay it on me.
>>
>> On 5/15/14, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Scot, you can read a lot about dpc latencies on the net, a great machine
>>> with lots of power will be a dog with a daw if processes are demanding
>>> too much time in the kernel, and a lesser well tuned machine with the
>>> right parts and software will run circles around this.
>>>
>>> Don't mean to sound like a know it all, but I've been doing this lots of
>>> years, and been there and done that, and went through the torture with
>>> my students.
>>>
>>> That high dpc latency is what kills more windows machines for daw work.
>>>
>>> YOu want 30 m us or less Jim's machines get in the single digits or
>>> lower double digits, your usual windows machine is usually about 250 or
>>> 300, you can do things on some motherboards like turn of high precission
>>> event timer and get lower dpc, but it's much more than that.
>>>
>>> these daw vendors know what to tweak and they keep up with all the
>>> motherboard revissions, and it's something even experienced pc builders
>>> don't often know about.
>>>
>>> I went through it with a custom shop,
>>> several times, them when I got my first purpose built daw, which didn't
>>> cost really anymore than the shop machine it was like going from a buggy
>>> airplane that sort of work to a rocket ship which could go off planet
>>> without getting out of 2nd gear.
>>>
>>> I did 100 plus tracks in xp without having to freeze tracks, it made me
>>> smile when these guys over on hrs were talking about 30 tracks being a
>>> heavy load for their imacs,
>>>
>>> windows can be a real piece of crap, but with the right stuff and
>>> properly configured it's obscenely powerful.
>>> that's the beauty and the other side of windows people don't realize,
>>> our hardware choices allow us to pick beter not just bargain, and the os
>>> allows to tweak in ways the mac can't easily be done.
>>>
>>> But with all that, the mac still has many things to drool over, if we
>>> weren't blind and didn't have to take thing on an accessibility and
>>> useability first option, the world would be our oister.
>>>
>>> but that's just the way it is out west.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/15/2014 12:18 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Ah, gotcha. Used to be the case, but not so much nowadays is the
>>>> answer to
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty powerful machine you're running there already, so I
>>>> guess the first thing to do is ask what isn't working out with the
>>>> current setup?
>>>>
>>>> On 5/15/14, trahern culver <sound.warrior20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I just thought the hardware would be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does any one have recommendations for good laptops to run reaper on
>>>>> kind
>>>>> regards trey.
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