[RWP] I'm sorry it is a testRe: Reaper vs. ProTools?

Scott Chesworth scottchesworth at gmail.com
Thu May 15 03:24:36 EDT 2014 

Received, so I guess your test worked :)



On 5/14/14, Rainer Jost <rainer at rainer-jost.de> wrote:
> Its a test
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> From: Derek Lane
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:54 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?
>
> The thing about reaaccess is that it should be easier now, more than
> ever, to rebuild.
> The latest versions of reaper have added all kinds of neat toys/tools
> for those who play with API's and there are several universal speech
> API's that talk to all of the major screen readers.
> So it stands to reason that one could, given the skills, write something
> that queries reaper for specific information, and actions to modify
> aspects of the current project/reapers settings in some cases.
> Build a few dialog boxes, and there you go.
> I say this as if its as easy as making an API sandwitch, but I know better.
> Obvious something like SWS shows the power of the reaper API, but it has
> a development team, and lots of community support which keeps it alive.
> If someone on this list knows enough about programming to articulate
> what we need, chances are that someone exists who would be willing to
> give it a try.
> In this message, said person may be asked to specify all actions which
> reaaccess provides, but  perhaps decompiling the reaaccess dll file
> would help.
> I know that a decompiler will render code that can be  compiled again,
> and not that which was initially written, but who knows... I don't.
> On 5/14/2014 1:36 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Am very aware of the good work you and Patrick do for those guys.
>>
>> And that goes right in line with my comments, it's mostly audio editing.
>>
>> Reaper has that covered very well.
>>
>> But not so well atleast with my take, on midi, and automation.
>>
>> Too many holes in the puzzle.
>>
>> But that's the difference between a 50 dollar daw, and a hundreds of
>> dollars one with lots of content, and
>> synths and mastering fx, and so on and so forth.
>>
>> Like comparing a motorcycle to a full blown silver eagle bus, both will
>> get you there, and maybe the motorcycle can go places the bus can't but
>> the bus can carry everything including the library, the picnic basket, and
>>
>> all the power tools included 'grin'.
>>
>> Still I wish sonar edited audio like reaper did.
>>
>> Why can't we have it all in one place?
>>
>>
>> On 5/13/2014 10:25 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>> If you want to see work with reaper, see most of the content provided by
>>>
>>> the serotalk podcast network.
>>> Patrick Perdue and I use reaper as one of the primary tools for editing
>>> and production, as each person on the various podcasts are on separate
>>> tracks. This lets us sort individual audio anomalies in the mix, rather
>>> than try to rescue a bad mixdown.
>>> I know a few people who have done some music in reaper as well, but sadly
>>>
>>> most of them haven't made there work widely available.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dancing dots still sells
>>>> sonar 8.5 if you want to go the official route.
>>>>
>>>> We face this sort of situation on all fronts, using older versions
>>>> sometimes for accessibility, and the tools for sonar have been updated
>>>> way more recently than our poor little abandonware reaccess has.
>>>>
>>>> It depends on what you want to do though.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of protools users are using older versions too.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, each solution has it's pros and cons, just saying the path most
>>>>
>>>> well traveled and maybe the easiest with the most real help and
>>>> documentation and all the stuff a beginner needs is definitely sonar,
>>>> never mind wha the fan boys say.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used protools yet, but I keep my ear to the ground, and I just
>>>>
>>>> haven't seen the work come out of that corner yet, same with reaper,
>>>> other than a few exceptions, most are doing audio editing,
>>>> anyway, i hope reaper really takes off one day, and someone picks up
>>>> where the Russian dude let of, but you know how it goes, it's only time
>>>>
>>>> and money.
>>>>
>>>> Will get with you privately and explain more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/13/2014 6:42 PM, John Chilelli wrote:
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I have heard and read, I would have to agree with you
>>>>> concerning Sonar.  But the problem with Sonar is what you have sited
>>>>> here.  That is, that the bestg accessible version of Sonar is v8.5 and
>>>>>
>>>>> where does one get hold of that version? As for my personal needs,
>>>>> Reaper would do just fine, but for a newbie like me, it's like stairing
>>>>>
>>>>> up at Mt. Everest with only summer jogging gear to work with.  I got a
>>>>>
>>>>> hold of Sonar v5 recently for the asking just to look at it, but didn't
>>>>>
>>>>> know where to begin with it using Window-Eyes 8.4.
>>>>> On 5/12/2014 4:30 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> Reaper has a lot of potential but sort of enjoys a similar status in
>>>>>> the recording world that linux does to windows and mac, the low priced
>>>>>>
>>>>>> don't need much to play, can do a lot of everyone has to roll their
>>>>>> own kind of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pt has gotten better, but most blind folks who are doing the best work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think are still using sonar even though most of us are using an
>>>>>> older version because there's been the most development with that,
>>>>>> you have caketalking plus jsonar, plus nvda and window-eyes both have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rudimentary access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's a full blown daw, pt and sonar both come with lots of soft
>>>>>> synths and loop libraries, and mastering tools, reaper has the basics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but you have to buy everything third party and then make access for
>>>>>> it, most of the devs who are doing stuff for us are doing it for sonar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for the obvious reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do a lot with midi, and
>>>>>> our buddy Roy says he's groovy with midi and reaper, but most of us
>>>>>> using reaper are doing audio editing and item based automation by
>>>>>> splitting clips and such,
>>>>>> I find sonar's midi implementation second to none, bu then it started
>>>>>>
>>>>>> off as a midi sequencer anyway.
>>>>>>  Midi has just been iimproved in pt, don't know how much, i don't own
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a mac as of yet,
>>>>>> but I have been doing professional work for years with sonar and that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is the easiest path if you are beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could melt reaper and sonar together because I really like
>>>>>> the way reaper cross fades audio, some audio operations with sonar are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> very tedious, but doing things like making tempo maps and such are
>>>>>> really nice with sonar, and the time and pitch stretching algorithms
>>>>>> in sonar, radius is vastly superior to reaper or protools
>>>>>> elastique.
>>>>>> But it takes more time to process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so it's all down to how you like to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a couple of people here who have really customized reaper
>>>>>> with the extra extensions who are getting the most out of it, but
>>>>>> again, it's like the linux thing, it depends on how much time you
>>>>>> have, and how deeply you want to dive, reaccess is dead,
>>>>>> it abandon ware, and any new reaper developoment will have to come
>>>>>> from elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes a person has to make their own way, for instance, a buddy of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mine paid a programmer to make cubass work for him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I paid the dev of nvda to make sonar work a bit better for me because
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like using jaws all the time, and so on and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Protools may not enjoy quite the monopoly it once did in the world,
>>>>>> but I hardly think reaper is going to replace it any time soon, it's
>>>>>> still the defacto standard in many places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reaper is like the poor kid on the block but with a huge potential
>>>>>> that hasn't been realized yet, atleast in our corner, but it has a
>>>>>> great programming api and someone with the skill and time could make
>>>>>> it sing and dance for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but there again is the rub, jaws scripting language sucks compared to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a real programming language, but because it's been so well develooped
>>>>>> we enjoy much more functionallity with jaws that with the better
>>>>>> technologies which haven't been developed yet from say nvda ppython or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> window-eyes whicfh can use any programming language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so there you have it, pick your poison, or pick several of them and
>>>>>> milk them for all they're worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/12/2014 1:26 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>>>>> Okay, guys, I'm probably going to start a big controversy right about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now, and you'll forgive me, but I have to know this.
>>>>>>> Besides the fact that Reaper on the Mac is not accessible, and
>>>>>>> proTools is, What are the advantages of Reaper over ProTools? I am
>>>>>>> really getting interested in going into the music business for real,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not just as a hobby, and I'm just wondering the pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> environment. Is Reaper going to kill ProTools one day and become the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> industry leader?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I have a question about the reaaccess.com website. If Ivan
>>>>>>> isn't around anymore, how is the sight still running? and how much
>>>>>>> longer might it be around? Is this list run off of freelists or
>>>>>>> something like that?
>>>>>>>
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