[RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?

Brandon Keith Biggs brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
Wed May 14 15:37:40 EDT 2014 

Hello,
One would need to rewrite the whole scripts from scratch. I don't know 
C++ which is probably what their API uses and I don't know reaper, but 
it just needs a programmer to sit down and learn what the API bits are.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

On 5/14/2014 11:54 AM, Derek Lane wrote:
> The thing about reaaccess is that it should be easier now, more than 
> ever, to rebuild.
> The latest versions of reaper have added all kinds of neat toys/tools 
> for those who play with API's and there are several universal speech 
> API's that talk to all of the major screen readers.
> So it stands to reason that one could, given the skills, write 
> something that queries reaper for specific information, and actions to 
> modify aspects of the current project/reapers settings in some cases.
> Build a few dialog boxes, and there you go.
> I say this as if its as easy as making an API sandwitch, but I know 
> better.
> Obvious something like SWS shows the power of the reaper API, but it 
> has a development team, and lots of community support which keeps it 
> alive.
> If someone on this list knows enough about programming to articulate 
> what we need, chances are that someone exists who would be willing to 
> give it a try.
> In this message, said person may be asked to specify all actions which 
> reaaccess provides, but  perhaps decompiling the reaaccess dll file 
> would help.
> I know that a decompiler will render code that can be  compiled again, 
> and not that which was initially written, but who knows... I don't.
> On 5/14/2014 1:36 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Am very aware of the good work you and Patrick do for those guys.
>>
>> And that goes right in line with my comments, it's mostly audio editing.
>>
>> Reaper has that covered very well.
>>
>> But not so well atleast with my take, on midi, and automation.
>>
>> Too many holes in the puzzle.
>>
>> But that's the difference between a 50 dollar daw, and a hundreds of 
>> dollars one with lots of content, and
>> synths and mastering fx, and so on and so forth.
>>
>> Like comparing a motorcycle to a full blown silver eagle bus, both 
>> will get you there, and maybe the motorcycle can go places the bus 
>> can't but the bus can carry everything including the library, the 
>> picnic basket, and all the power tools included 'grin'.
>>
>> Still I wish sonar edited audio like reaper did.
>>
>> Why can't we have it all in one place?
>>
>>
>> On 5/13/2014 10:25 PM, Derek Lane wrote:
>>> If you want to see work with reaper, see most of the content 
>>> provided by the serotalk podcast network.
>>> Patrick Perdue and I use reaper as one of the primary tools for 
>>> editing and production, as each person on the various podcasts are 
>>> on separate tracks. This lets us sort individual audio anomalies in 
>>> the mix, rather than try to rescue a bad mixdown.
>>> I know a few people who have done some music in reaper as well, but 
>>> sadly most of them haven't made there work widely available.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dancing dots still sells
>>>> sonar 8.5 if you want to go the official route.
>>>>
>>>> We face this sort of situation on all fronts, using older versions 
>>>> sometimes for accessibility, and the tools for sonar have been 
>>>> updated way more recently than our poor little abandonware reaccess 
>>>> has.
>>>>
>>>> It depends on what you want to do though.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of protools users are using older versions too.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, each solution has it's pros and cons, just saying the path 
>>>> most well traveled and maybe the easiest with the most real help 
>>>> and documentation and all the stuff a beginner needs is definitely 
>>>> sonar, never mind wha the fan boys say.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used protools yet, but I keep my ear to the ground, and I 
>>>> just haven't seen the work come out of that corner yet, same with 
>>>> reaper, other than a few exceptions, most are doing audio editing,
>>>> anyway, i hope reaper really takes off one day, and someone picks 
>>>> up where the Russian dude let of, but you know how it goes, it's 
>>>> only time and money.
>>>>
>>>> Will get with you privately and explain more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/13/2014 6:42 PM, John Chilelli wrote:
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I have heard and read, I would have to agree with you 
>>>>> concerning Sonar.  But the problem with Sonar is what you have 
>>>>> sited here.  That is, that the bestg accessible version of Sonar 
>>>>> is v8.5 and where does one get hold of that version? As for my 
>>>>> personal needs, Reaper would do just fine, but for a newbie like 
>>>>> me, it's like stairing up at Mt. Everest with only summer jogging 
>>>>> gear to work with.  I got a hold of Sonar v5 recently for the 
>>>>> asking just to look at it, but didn't know where to begin with it 
>>>>> using Window-Eyes 8.4.
>>>>> On 5/12/2014 4:30 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> Reaper has a lot of potential but sort of enjoys a similar status 
>>>>>> in the recording world that linux does to windows and mac, the 
>>>>>> low priced don't need much to play, can do a lot of everyone has 
>>>>>> to roll their own kind of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pt has gotten better, but most blind folks who are doing the best 
>>>>>> work I think are still using sonar even though most of us are 
>>>>>> using an older version because there's been the most development 
>>>>>> with that,
>>>>>> you have caketalking plus jsonar, plus nvda and window-eyes both 
>>>>>> have rudimentary access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's a full blown daw, pt and sonar both come with lots of 
>>>>>> soft synths and loop libraries, and mastering tools, reaper has 
>>>>>> the basics but you have to buy everything third party and then 
>>>>>> make access for it, most of the devs who are doing stuff for us 
>>>>>> are doing it for sonar for the obvious reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do a lot with midi, and
>>>>>> our buddy Roy says he's groovy with midi and reaper, but most of 
>>>>>> us using reaper are doing audio editing and item based automation 
>>>>>> by splitting clips and such,
>>>>>> I find sonar's midi implementation second to none, bu then it 
>>>>>> started off as a midi sequencer anyway.
>>>>>>  Midi has just been iimproved in pt, don't know how much, i don't 
>>>>>> own a mac as of yet,
>>>>>> but I have been doing professional work for years with sonar and 
>>>>>> that is the easiest path if you are beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could melt reaper and sonar together because I really 
>>>>>> like the way reaper cross fades audio, some audio operations with 
>>>>>> sonar are very tedious, but doing things like making tempo maps 
>>>>>> and such are really nice with sonar, and the time and pitch 
>>>>>> stretching algorithms in sonar, radius is vastly superior to 
>>>>>> reaper or protools
>>>>>> elastique.
>>>>>> But it takes more time to process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so it's all down to how you like to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a couple of people here who have really customized 
>>>>>> reaper with the extra extensions who are getting the most out of 
>>>>>> it, but again, it's like the linux thing, it depends on how much 
>>>>>> time you have, and how deeply you want to dive, reaccess is dead,
>>>>>> it abandon ware, and any new reaper developoment will have to 
>>>>>> come from elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes a person has to make their own way, for instance, a 
>>>>>> buddy of mine paid a programmer to make cubass work for him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I paid the dev of nvda to make sonar work a bit better for me 
>>>>>> because I don't like using jaws all the time, and so on and so 
>>>>>> forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Protools may not enjoy quite the monopoly it once did in the 
>>>>>> world, but I hardly think reaper is going to replace it any time 
>>>>>> soon, it's still the defacto standard in many places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reaper is like the poor kid on the block but with a huge 
>>>>>> potential that hasn't been realized yet, atleast in our corner, 
>>>>>> but it has a great programming api and someone with the skill and 
>>>>>> time could make it sing and dance for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but there again is the rub, jaws scripting language sucks 
>>>>>> compared to a real programming language, but because it's been so 
>>>>>> well develooped
>>>>>> we enjoy much more functionallity with jaws that with the better 
>>>>>> technologies which haven't been developed yet from say nvda 
>>>>>> ppython or window-eyes whicfh can use any programming language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so there you have it, pick your poison, or pick several of them 
>>>>>> and milk them for all they're worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/12/2014 1:26 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>>>>> Okay, guys, I'm probably going to start a big controversy right 
>>>>>>> about now, and you'll forgive me, but I have to know this.
>>>>>>> Besides the fact that Reaper on the Mac is not accessible, and 
>>>>>>> proTools is, What are the advantages of Reaper over ProTools? I 
>>>>>>> am really getting interested in going into the music business 
>>>>>>> for real, not just as a hobby, and I'm just wondering the pros 
>>>>>>> and cons of each environment. Is Reaper going to kill ProTools 
>>>>>>> one day and become the industry leader?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I have a question about the reaaccess.com website. If Ivan 
>>>>>>> isn't around anymore, how is the sight still running? and how 
>>>>>>> much longer might it be around? Is this list run off of 
>>>>>>> freelists or something like that?
>>>>>>>
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