[RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?

Wed May 14 14:29:36 EDT 2014

Well, here's to growth and more choice in the future.

On 5/14/2014 4:57 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> Sorry to be blunt, but so far as I can tell, the comparisons of what's
> been done by blind people in each DAW is a load of old bunk. I can
> cite examples of blind dudes running both Reaper and Pro Tools who've
> got more consistent work and are turning a more consistent profit than
> the vast majority of Sonar users, because of who I know. No doubt
> Chris could flip that around in an instant and seem no less right,
> because of who he knows. People (in general, not just the blind ones)
> turning audio into a living is a rarity, regardless of what software
> they use to do it.
>
> The one standout fact in this thread that it's important to get across
> to anyone who's on the fence is that there is undeniably more
> documentation and support out there for Sonar, because as Chris says,
> it's the path well traveled. Anything beyond that is conjecture, and
> probably shouldn't influence your decision unless you're gonna do a
> hell of a lot of research for yourself. I'd politely suggest that if
> you're just getting started, that time would be better spent learning
> about audio fundamentals that'll apply to whichever DAW you end up
> using. Chances are, that DAW choice won't be a constant anyway,
> because however sluggishly it does it, accessibility does evolve, and
> most people will end up either wanting or needing to roll with the
> changes at some point.
>
>
> On 5/14/14, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Dancing dots still sells
>> sonar 8.5 if you want to go the official route.
>>
>> We face this sort of situation on all fronts, using older versions
>> sometimes for accessibility, and the tools for sonar have been updated
>> way more recently than our poor little abandonware reaccess has.
>>
>> It depends on what you want to do though.
>>
>> Lots of protools users are using older versions too.
>>
>> Anyway, each solution has it's pros and cons, just saying the path most
>> well traveled and maybe the easiest with the most real help and
>> documentation and all the stuff a beginner needs is definitely sonar,
>> never mind wha the fan boys say.
>>
>> I haven't used protools yet, but I keep my ear to the ground, and I just
>> haven't seen the work come out of that corner yet, same with reaper,
>> other than a few exceptions, most are doing audio editing,
>> anyway, i hope reaper really takes off one day, and someone picks up
>> where the Russian dude let of, but you know how it goes, it's only time
>> and money.
>>
>> Will get with you privately and explain more.
>>
>>
>> On 5/13/2014 6:42 PM, John Chilelli wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>>  From what I have heard and read, I would have to agree with you
>>> concerning Sonar.  But the problem with Sonar is what you have sited
>>> here.  That is, that the bestg accessible version of Sonar is v8.5 and
>>> where does one get hold of that version?  As for my personal needs,
>>> Reaper would do just fine, but for a newbie like me, it's like
>>> stairing up at Mt. Everest with only summer jogging gear to work
>>> with.  I got a hold of Sonar v5 recently for the asking just to look
>>> at it, but didn't know where to begin with it using Window-Eyes 8.4.
>>> On 5/12/2014 4:30 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Reaper has a lot of potential but sort of enjoys a similar status in
>>>> the recording world that linux does to windows and mac, the low
>>>> priced don't need much to play, can do a lot of everyone has to roll
>>>> their own kind of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Pt has gotten better, but most blind folks who are doing the best
>>>> work I think are still using sonar even though most of us are using
>>>> an older version because there's been the most development with that,
>>>> you have caketalking plus jsonar, plus nvda and window-eyes both have
>>>> rudimentary access.
>>>>
>>>> And it's a full blown daw, pt and sonar both come with lots of soft
>>>> synths and loop libraries, and mastering tools, reaper has the basics
>>>> but you have to buy everything third party and then make access for
>>>> it, most of the devs who are doing stuff for us are doing it for
>>>> sonar for the obvious reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I do a lot with midi, and
>>>> our buddy Roy says he's groovy with midi and reaper, but most of us
>>>> using reaper are doing audio editing and item based automation by
>>>> splitting clips and such,
>>>> I find sonar's midi implementation second to none, bu then it started
>>>> off as a midi sequencer anyway.
>>>>   Midi has just been iimproved in pt, don't know how much, i don't own
>>>> a mac as of yet,
>>>> but I have been doing professional work for years with sonar and that
>>>> is the easiest path if you are beginning.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could melt reaper and sonar together because I really like
>>>> the way reaper cross fades audio, some audio operations with sonar
>>>> are very tedious, but doing things like making tempo maps and such
>>>> are really nice with sonar, and the time and pitch stretching
>>>> algorithms in sonar, radius is vastly superior to reaper or protools
>>>> elastique.
>>>> But it takes more time to process.
>>>>
>>>> so it's all down to how you like to work.
>>>>
>>>> There are a couple of people here who have really customized reaper
>>>> with the extra extensions who are getting the most out of it, but
>>>> again, it's like the linux thing, it depends on how much time you
>>>> have, and how deeply you want to dive, reaccess is dead,
>>>> it abandon ware, and any new reaper developoment will have to come
>>>> from elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes a person has to make their own way, for instance, a buddy
>>>> of mine paid a programmer to make cubass work for him.
>>>>
>>>> I paid the dev of nvda to make sonar work a bit better for me because
>>>> I don't like using jaws all the time, and so on and so forth.
>>>>
>>>> Protools may not enjoy quite the monopoly it once did in the world,
>>>> but I hardly think reaper is going to replace it any time soon, it's
>>>> still the defacto standard in many places.
>>>>
>>>> Reaper is like the poor kid on the block but with a huge potential
>>>> that hasn't been realized yet, atleast in our corner, but it has a
>>>> great programming api and someone with the skill and time could make
>>>> it sing and dance for us.
>>>>
>>>> but there again is the rub, jaws scripting language sucks compared to
>>>> a real programming language, but because it's been so well develooped
>>>> we enjoy much more functionallity with jaws that with the better
>>>> technologies which haven't been developed yet from say nvda ppython
>>>> or window-eyes whicfh can use any programming language.
>>>>
>>>> so there you have it, pick your poison, or pick several of them and
>>>> milk them for all they're worth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/12/2014 1:26 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>>> Okay, guys, I'm probably going to start a big controversy right
>>>>> about now, and you'll forgive me, but I have to know this.
>>>>> Besides the fact that Reaper on the Mac is not accessible, and
>>>>> proTools is, What are the advantages of Reaper over  ProTools? I am
>>>>> really getting interested in going into the music business for real,
>>>>> not just as a hobby, and I'm just wondering the pros and cons of
>>>>> each environment. Is Reaper going to kill ProTools one day and
>>>>> become the industry leader?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I have a question about the reaaccess.com website. If Ivan
>>>>> isn't around anymore, how is the sight still running? and how much
>>>>> longer might it be around? Is this list run off of freelists or
>>>>> something like that?
>>>>>
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