[RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?

Wed May 14 05:57:41 EDT 2014

Sorry to be blunt, but so far as I can tell, the comparisons of what's
been done by blind people in each DAW is a load of old bunk. I can
cite examples of blind dudes running both Reaper and Pro Tools who've
got more consistent work and are turning a more consistent profit than
the vast majority of Sonar users, because of who I know. No doubt
Chris could flip that around in an instant and seem no less right,
because of who he knows. People (in general, not just the blind ones)
turning audio into a living is a rarity, regardless of what software
they use to do it.

The one standout fact in this thread that it's important to get across
to anyone who's on the fence is that there is undeniably more
documentation and support out there for Sonar, because as Chris says,
it's the path well traveled. Anything beyond that is conjecture, and
probably shouldn't influence your decision unless you're gonna do a
hell of a lot of research for yourself. I'd politely suggest that if
you're just getting started, that time would be better spent learning
about audio fundamentals that'll apply to whichever DAW you end up
using. Chances are, that DAW choice won't be a constant anyway,
because however sluggishly it does it, accessibility does evolve, and
most people will end up either wanting or needing to roll with the
changes at some point.

On 5/14/14, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Dancing dots still sells
> sonar 8.5 if you want to go the official route.
>
> We face this sort of situation on all fronts, using older versions
> sometimes for accessibility, and the tools for sonar have been updated
> way more recently than our poor little abandonware reaccess has.
>
> It depends on what you want to do though.
>
> Lots of protools users are using older versions too.
>
> Anyway, each solution has it's pros and cons, just saying the path most
> well traveled and maybe the easiest with the most real help and
> documentation and all the stuff a beginner needs is definitely sonar,
> never mind wha the fan boys say.
>
> I haven't used protools yet, but I keep my ear to the ground, and I just
> haven't seen the work come out of that corner yet, same with reaper,
> other than a few exceptions, most are doing audio editing,
> anyway, i hope reaper really takes off one day, and someone picks up
> where the Russian dude let of, but you know how it goes, it's only time
> and money.
>
> Will get with you privately and explain more.
>
>
> On 5/13/2014 6:42 PM, John Chilelli wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> From what I have heard and read, I would have to agree with you
>> concerning Sonar.  But the problem with Sonar is what you have sited
>> here.  That is, that the bestg accessible version of Sonar is v8.5 and
>> where does one get hold of that version?  As for my personal needs,
>> Reaper would do just fine, but for a newbie like me, it's like
>> stairing up at Mt. Everest with only summer jogging gear to work
>> with.  I got a hold of Sonar v5 recently for the asking just to look
>> at it, but didn't know where to begin with it using Window-Eyes 8.4.
>> On 5/12/2014 4:30 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Reaper has a lot of potential but sort of enjoys a similar status in
>>> the recording world that linux does to windows and mac, the low
>>> priced don't need much to play, can do a lot of everyone has to roll
>>> their own kind of thing.
>>>
>>> Pt has gotten better, but most blind folks who are doing the best
>>> work I think are still using sonar even though most of us are using
>>> an older version because there's been the most development with that,
>>> you have caketalking plus jsonar, plus nvda and window-eyes both have
>>> rudimentary access.
>>>
>>> And it's a full blown daw, pt and sonar both come with lots of soft
>>> synths and loop libraries, and mastering tools, reaper has the basics
>>> but you have to buy everything third party and then make access for
>>> it, most of the devs who are doing stuff for us are doing it for
>>> sonar for the obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> I do a lot with midi, and
>>> our buddy Roy says he's groovy with midi and reaper, but most of us
>>> using reaper are doing audio editing and item based automation by
>>> splitting clips and such,
>>> I find sonar's midi implementation second to none, bu then it started
>>> off as a midi sequencer anyway.
>>>  Midi has just been iimproved in pt, don't know how much, i don't own
>>> a mac as of yet,
>>> but I have been doing professional work for years with sonar and that
>>> is the easiest path if you are beginning.
>>>
>>> I wish I could melt reaper and sonar together because I really like
>>> the way reaper cross fades audio, some audio operations with sonar
>>> are very tedious, but doing things like making tempo maps and such
>>> are really nice with sonar, and the time and pitch stretching
>>> algorithms in sonar, radius is vastly superior to reaper or protools
>>> elastique.
>>> But it takes more time to process.
>>>
>>> so it's all down to how you like to work.
>>>
>>> There are a couple of people here who have really customized reaper
>>> with the extra extensions who are getting the most out of it, but
>>> again, it's like the linux thing, it depends on how much time you
>>> have, and how deeply you want to dive, reaccess is dead,
>>> it abandon ware, and any new reaper developoment will have to come
>>> from elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Sometimes a person has to make their own way, for instance, a buddy
>>> of mine paid a programmer to make cubass work for him.
>>>
>>> I paid the dev of nvda to make sonar work a bit better for me because
>>> I don't like using jaws all the time, and so on and so forth.
>>>
>>> Protools may not enjoy quite the monopoly it once did in the world,
>>> but I hardly think reaper is going to replace it any time soon, it's
>>> still the defacto standard in many places.
>>>
>>> Reaper is like the poor kid on the block but with a huge potential
>>> that hasn't been realized yet, atleast in our corner, but it has a
>>> great programming api and someone with the skill and time could make
>>> it sing and dance for us.
>>>
>>> but there again is the rub, jaws scripting language sucks compared to
>>> a real programming language, but because it's been so well develooped
>>> we enjoy much more functionallity with jaws that with the better
>>> technologies which haven't been developed yet from say nvda ppython
>>> or window-eyes whicfh can use any programming language.
>>>
>>> so there you have it, pick your poison, or pick several of them and
>>> milk them for all they're worth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/12/2014 1:26 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>> Okay, guys, I'm probably going to start a big controversy right
>>>> about now, and you'll forgive me, but I have to know this.
>>>> Besides the fact that Reaper on the Mac is not accessible, and
>>>> proTools is, What are the advantages of Reaper over  ProTools? I am
>>>> really getting interested in going into the music business for real,
>>>> not just as a hobby, and I'm just wondering the pros and cons of
>>>> each environment. Is Reaper going to kill ProTools one day and
>>>> become the industry leader?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I have a question about the reaaccess.com website. If Ivan
>>>> isn't around anymore, how is the sight still running? and how much
>>>> longer might it be around? Is this list run off of freelists or
>>>> something like that?
>>>>
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