[RWP] Reaper vs. ProTools?

Mon May 12 16:59:28 EDT 2014

No worries Hadi. As I said earlier, wish I could do more.

Logic accessibility is starting to move forward. It's happening
slowly, almost pathetically slowly when you consider that Logic and
VoiceOver are both Apple products, but based on recent events I'm
fairly confident that one day not far away Logic will be a viable
option. The stock stuff that comes with Logic is the best stock stuff
out there IMO, so that'll be a happy day.

Scott

On 5/12/14, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei at gmx.com> wrote:
> Hello
> On a completely off-topic note, Thanks scot for keeping the website up
> and running.
> I'm going to vote reaper on windows. light, fast, and you can do lots
> with it.
> TBH, REAPER's developers have already stated lots of times that they
> don't know much about accessibility, and they are open to suggestions
> if  someone tells them what needs to be added. or ajusted. I wish some
> technical guys  in blind community start leaning over REAPER then make a
> contact to developers. as i'm sure they're ready to improve
> accessibility for ScreenReaders.
>
> Putting accessibility aside in mac, i really do like logic. it's
> amazing. If i had the money to invest, i'd buy a mac, then logic and
> would started to see how 's accessibility on that one.
>
> On 5/12/2014 11:47 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Hey Jes,
>>
>> Lots to reply to here, most of which will be subjective. Let's do them
>> one by one:
>>
>> Reaper on the Mac actually is fairly accessible. There are a few
>> stumbling blocks and some tricks to learn (as with most if not all
>> DAWs at present), but it's further along than a lot of people seem to
>> realise. A chap who goes by The Oreo Monster can and probably will
>> tell you more, but take a poke around what he's put together so far at
>> www.reaperacc.es if you're interested in getting into it on the Mac
>> side.
>>
>> The pros and cons of Reaper vs Pro Tools is is a can of worms that I'm
>> reluctant to crack open here, but I don't know how many other people
>> on this list are splitting their time equally between those two DAWs
>> so I guess I should take a stab at an answer. Purely in terms of the
>> DAWs themselves, their approach is what separates them more than
>> what's achievable in each, because the playing field is pretty level
>> in terms of what's achievable. Reaper is ridiculously lightweight
>> compared to almost anything else out there. It's also a lot more
>> customisable than most DAWs, is probably the best choice of DAW to
>> take around with you from computer to computer at the moment, the
>> development is pretty rapid and the user base is pretty rabid. It's
>> biggest downfall is probably a lack of software instruments, but if
>> you're a mixing/mastering type dude who doesn't require a lot of soft
>> synths or you've already got a bunch of licenses that you're bringing
>> with you from some other platform and you like the way Reaper
>> approaches stuff, there's no reason not to be a Reaper user. Will you
>> find it in commercial studios for hire? No, but that doesn't mean it's
>> not a good DAW. Is it going to be everywhere in 5-10 years time? No,
>> but again, that doesn't mean it's not a good DAW. Pro Tools is pretty
>> much the polar opposite in that it's a bit of a beast in terms of size
>> and system resources (though version 11 slimmed down a lot), it comes
>> with a bunch of good stuff in terms of stock plugins and instruments,
>> and it's still the industry standard in terms of the amount of studios
>> that use it, with Logic chasing hot on it's heels nowadays.
>> Development is slow, painfully so once you've seen the pace that
>> Reaper evolves at. Talking in terms of accessibility, I've honestly
>> been really impressed with the overhaul Avid gave Pro Tools in version
>> 11. The learning curve is fairly steep, but that's the same for anyone
>> who's learning to be a Pro Tools user. I wouldn't say accessibility
>> adds much to that learning curve if you're already a competent
>> VoiceOver user. On both sides of the fence, documentation specific to
>> accessibility is practically non-existent, but support is out there
>> via mailing lists and a few series of podcasts. The last thing I'll
>> say here might get a few people hot under the collar, and that's if
>> you're thinking of switching to Pro Tools specifically to get a job as
>> an engineer in a studio, save your time and money, because A) jobs for
>> resident engineers are few and far between nowadays, B) whether you
>> like it or not, you're at several disadvantages in that environment as
>> the blind dude, and C) that isn't gonna get any less the case as time
>> marches on. If you want to make music your business, the trick is to
>> find a niche where you can be efficient and self-sufficient. Honestly,
>> the people I see getting the most work nowadays are the ones who
>> strike an even balance between being productivity machines and can
>> still be comfortable relaxing with musicians. It's more about people
>> skills nowadays than ever before, because the price of entry is so low
>> and there's so much idiot-proof software out there that Joe Public
>> really can make a passable record in his bedroom. That doesn't mean
>> Joe Public has a niche that he's really, really efficient in, and
>> that's when people start paying properly, when they're paying for
>> time. In a nutshell, find a DAW that you feel comfortable with, then
>> forget about the DAW war and concentrate on getting hella efficient at
>> whatever you intend to do for money without being loud about it.
>>
>> As for your ReaAccess questions, the current holding page and this
>> list are both run on a hosting plan that I pay for. I wish I had the
>> time and energy to do more to keep ReaAccess alive, but as it stands,
>> that's about the size of my contribution. This list will be around
>> indefinitely until ReaAccess is rendered useless, or until something
>> better comes along to replace it.
>>
>> Woo, longest post ever in the history of this list I think! Hope some
>> of it helps.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 5/12/14, Jes <jessmith at samobile.net> wrote:
>>> Okay, guys, I'm probably going to start a big controversy right about
>>> now, and you'll forgive me, but I have to know this.
>>> Besides the fact that Reaper on the Mac is not accessible, and proTools
>>> is, What are the advantages of Reaper over  ProTools? I am really
>>> getting interested in going into the music business for real, not just
>>> as a hobby, and I'm just wondering the pros and cons of each
>>> environment. Is Reaper going to kill ProTools one day and become the
>>> industry leader?
>>>
>>> Also, I have a question about the reaaccess.com website. If Ivan isn't
>>> around anymore, how is the sight still running? and how much longer
>>> might it be around? Is this list run off of freelists or something like
>>> that?
>>>
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