[RWP] I need all of your input, please. Abandoning Reaper vs. ProTools, should I stay or go?

Sat Jul 12 16:14:03 EDT 2014

Also one other thing, for any of us to say something is ready for prime 
time or not is arbitrary in a way, because it depends on what you need.

I know folks making a living out of using reaper, but they are mostly 
gluing stuff together audio wise,
and using third party plugs they cobled together themselves.

I know one guy who says reaper and midi are fine.

But he's exceptionally bright and a programmer type.

Reaper sort of holds a cult following,
kind of like windows and mac vs linux, so much is possible, but you 
beter be prepared to roll your own,
and do lots of work.

And it's worse for us ofcourse.

YOur gonna pay one way or another in time, or money, or agrevation,
so decide wha the best spending of your resources will be according to 
what you want to accomplish and what the state of the art is for your 
chosen tool, what are others really doing, not just bucket mouthing on 
forums,
but what is really happening in the real world as best you can tell?

On 7/12/2014 3:00 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> I wish I'd said that instead of sounding like a sonar fan boy.
>
> the truth is that many of us who do this or even if we don't but are 
> aware of what it takes
> will use or recommend using more than one tool.
>
> I use sonar, reaper, soundforge, and many other third part vst and 
> directx plugs on two different operating systems and 3 different 
> screen-readers to get all my stuff done.
>
> Well, let's make it 3 different no 4 different operating systems.
>
> So one size does not fit all.
>
> On 7/12/2014 1:10 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
>> Much depends on what u do, Jess. If u do a lot of midi work, then
>> ProTools may not be your daw of choice, as its midi capabilities are
>> lackluster, by all accounts. However, having said all that, I don't
>> think Reaper is truly ready for primetime. That's true for sighted
>> folks, & it's definitively true for those of us who are blind, givin
>> the access problems. The truth is, u may well need more than 1 tool to
>> get the job done.
>>
>> I think, were I u, that I'd subscribe to the blind ProTools list & see
>> what successes & pitfalls the folks who r usin' it experience on a
>> daily basis. That might give u some info as to how to move forward.
>>
>> On 7/12/14, Jonathan <jonathancandler_msa at q.com> wrote:
>>> Hello I am Jonathan Candler and I am a music producer and I would just
>>> like to say this... It would be better if you get pro tools in the long
>>> run because you will always have that support. Pluss, you have 
>>> voiceover
>>> accessabillity out of the box.
>>> On 7/12/2014 3:50 AM, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
>>>> Hi Jes
>>>> Although your points are debatable, but I think This is great that
>>>> you've got reasons for a move. Some people don't do this and will head
>>>> into ways that just make their life harder.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone could help with the validity of your points, but I
>>>> myself want to also move to mac and use apple logic, but i can't aford
>>>> it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/12/2014 2:59 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>>> Hello list.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a very, very long post, so sorry about that but you have been
>>>>> warned.
>>>>> A while back, as some of you may remember, we had a nice discussion
>>>>> about the advantages of Reaper vs. ProTools and which one aparently
>>>>> was better.
>>>>> Well, it's decision time for me. I have learned Reaper somewhat well,
>>>>> at least well enough to get things done. I have talked about this
>>>>> with my wife, as we are trying to get a music business going, and
>>>>> aparently people liked what I contributed to the list as far as an
>>>>> audio sample of my work. I really appreciate all of your feedback on
>>>>> that, by the way! Well, long story short, I am beginning to do work
>>>>> for other people and contributing music to a full-time radio outlet
>>>>> here in my area. IT's purely a volunteer effort right now, something
>>>>> I look forward to doing. Plus, I will probably start receiving
>>>>> payments for my work, and this demands that I have a stable system
>>>>> that I can immediately have working at a moment's notice. Just in the
>>>>> last five minutes, I have come up with six reasons why ProTools, in
>>>>> the long run, might be a better option for me for productivity sake.
>>>>> I'm not trying to start any flames, I just need your help to make an
>>>>> informed decision.
>>>>> So here are my six reasons, with an explanation for each. Are all of
>>>>> these reasons bologna?
>>>>> 1. ProTools is accessible right out of the box, Reaper is not.
>>>>> Avid has done a heck of a lot of work to make ProTools accessible
>>>>> with Voiceover right out of the box. From the minute you get things
>>>>> setup, bam, you're ready to rock. Yes, Reaper is accessible on the
>>>>> Mac, but there is a lot of footwork to do, even to get just the basic
>>>>> stuff going, and this is something I really don't have the time to
>>>>> undertake, no matter how easy it appears.
>>>>> 2. ProTools is the industry standard, Reaper has a long way to catch
>>>>> up, if it ever does. To be honest, ProTools is out there, people use
>>>>> it, and there is a lot of support for it by a company who is in
>>>>> business for the professional audiophile. The result is you will get
>>>>> a great deal of support for your product, and the product will
>>>>> continue to evolve. After all, Avid has built up a rock solid
>>>>> customer base and they have a responsibility to be loyal to their
>>>>> following. If they aren't, it will be a huge loss of money and
>>>>> customers. On the other hand, from what I have gathered from some of
>>>>> the posts on this list, Reaper is basically a side-project, with very
>>>>> little interest in the money. According to a contributor, the only
>>>>> support Reaper gets is through message boards and mailing lists.
>>>>> Plus, the developers don't enforce their customers to adhere to their
>>>>> thirty-day trial. I have been using Reaper for over three and a half
>>>>> years and have never gotten flagged for it. Thus, Reaper could become
>>>>> abandonware at any time.
>>>>> 3.  Reaaccess, like it or not, will one day be rendered useless.
>>>>> It's fine for some of us to say we don't care, and we will be able to
>>>>> use Reaper 3 dot so and so, or 4 dot so and so. But one day,
>>>>> Reaaccess will no longer be an option, and if the Reaper devs don't
>>>>> do something, I will not be able to be a productive musician if I
>>>>> rely solely on Reaper. Time and technology marches on, and with it,
>>>>> the need to keep up-to-date with the latest versions of the products
>>>>> you use. If you lag behind, it will eventually come back to haunt
>>>>> you. Let me put in a disclaimer right here. I know some of you will
>>>>> say that it's your choice to use an older version or move to a new
>>>>> one. With ProTools, I would agree with that, seeing as how the
>>>>> product is accessible right out of the box. With Reaper, however, if
>>>>> Reaper 3 and 4 are accessible to us, but later versions are not
>>>>> compatible with a screen reader, there is no choice. IT is a
>>>>> necessity that you remain where you are for accessibility's sake.
>>>>> 4. I have no easy, accessible way to backup my internal hard drive on
>>>>> my Windows machine.
>>>>> I have put in a lot of work getting this PC optamized for audio work,
>>>>> from installing drivers to my USB audio interface, to installing
>>>>> sound forge, to installing Reaper and konplete 9. Native Instruments
>>>>> product was a bear to get going, and I had to spend two hours on the
>>>>> phone with a merciful sighted person just to get the thing
>>>>> registered. When my hard drive goes bye-bye, I will have no choice
>>>>> but go through that painfully grooling task again, and I cannot
>>>>> afford to spend my days trying to get this setup installed again. To
>>>>> my knowledge, on the windows side there is no means of taking an
>>>>> image of my C drive and being able to restore that image onto a new
>>>>> drive where the process is able to be done totally with speech. I
>>>>> would have to have sighted assistance at some point along the way.
>>>>> I'm not talking about unattended installations, I want to be involved
>>>>> in every step of the backup and installation process of my image. On
>>>>> the Mac, there are plenty of ways to do this, and I have used them
>>>>> with great success.
>>>>> 5. I already have a Mac and am familiar with VoiceOver, and it is
>>>>> easy to collaborate with sighted professionals on an audio project.
>>>>> 6. Windows is not made for audio work. There is a slight delay in
>>>>> when you hit a key and when you get output from your instrument, even
>>>>> with Asio. The Mac is made for audio stuff, and the core audio shows
>>>>> it. Even if that is not Apple's primary focus, the Mac is just much
>>>>> more stable and much more responsive and allows one to get audio
>>>>> stuff done a lot quicker.
>>>>> So, am I just talking out both sides of my mouth, or do I have some
>>>>> valid points? Any opinions will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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