[RWP] Discovery

Fri Feb 7 14:33:45 EST 2014

Hi,
I'd use logic, but the version i have isn't accessible. I have 10, if 
anyone's wondering. Like, when i leave the library of instruments, i can't 
get back for love nore money.
Now, pro tools, there's something i'd buy. Alass, i have no money, so...
This reaper sws thing, i didn't know about. I'll give that a shot. Also, i 
need more AU instrument plugins for reaper.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Discovery

Thanks, Oreo Monster ,  for the update on Macs.
I don't have that much problem thinking in a different mode.
Maybe it's because I never really felt at home on this weird planet
among this incredible species of advanced apes, so it's all equally odd,
whatever I'm doing.

Sure, just like everybody else, at first I reach for familiar shortcuts
that don't work in the new  program, but I soon adopt a different brain
map and am totally comfortable in any new scheme.

I was a Window-Eyes user from dos days, and now NVDA is my only
screenreader.
I would have learned Jaws, but fell asleep installing it and waiting for
it to load up. smile.
I'll give my Jaws 12 64 it a second chance in this Intel I7 on Win7 64,
maybe it'll load faster.
NVDA ruined me with its almost instant loading.
Through the years I've often been impressed with the clarity and sweet
tone of tracks made on the Mac with Logic.
Don't intend to get into a discussion whether different daws make
different sounds, that's just what my ears hear.
I'm under no illusions that Macs are perfect, my sister-in-law's Macs
have spent plenty of time in the repair shop, or that Logic is heaven
for even sighted users to run; I listened to a TC Helicon video of one
of their tecks applying a tiny bit of effects onto a 1 measure track
from a TC Helicon vocal pedal, and Logic had to reboot ten times during
that tiny bit of processing, and the video was at least an hour long.
I could have applied those effects in Reaper on Windows in five minutes,
but, the tech  easily got the TC Helicon pedal into Logic as an
aggrogate device, and I can't get the same pedal's USB output into
Reaper on Windows at all, because it competes for the soundcard's asio
driver.

That Windows defect is unthinkable; that after all these years only 1
device can run on 1 asio driver.
My eMu card's asio driver has 32 midi channels out,  and I never even
need 16 of those, I just don't see why Steinberg couldn't find a method
of forceing an asio driver to share inputs, or somehow tagging an asio
driver so you could have a hundred asio drivers installed, and each
device would find only its own dedicated asio driver.
We Windows users must be M/S fans to put up with that kind of
mistreatment all these years.
Thanks,
Indi
On 2/6/2014 7:05 PM, The Oreo Monster wrote:
> Powerbooks got phased out around 5 years ago or so. Macbook pros are the 
> way to goo. 2009  MBP will probably be in the neighborhood of $500 give or 
> take on ebay and will probably run better than your windows machine with a 
> clean install of the OS. BTW speaking from personal experience here as 
> there is one in the house running mavericks with reaper and PT on it. 
> Personally i find more of the dialogs on the mac version are easier to 
> work with. the screen reader sees and access everything. You don’t have 
> the issue where things aren’t in the tab order and you have to use review 
> keys or in the case of the actions list, you can actually interact with it 
> and read through every item on the list. As someone else point out earlier 
> the main interface isn’t in groups which makes it tedious as hell to 
> navigate, but thats where the SWS Extensions and ReaConsole comes in. No 
> running around the interface trying to find stuff. Just press the letter C 
> type in the command to sa select a track, chang
e the volume, pan, phase or arm t any number of tracks at  once, press enter 
to execute and you are on to the next task.   Thirdly stock reaper has a 
lack of keyboard short cuts assigned but i spent a lot of time fixing that 
and building custom actions.as well. Also  SWS brings with it some actions 
not included in reaper, like adjusting item volume and pan. so instead of 
opening item properties to do this i just select the item then use the hot 
keys i assigned to adjusting item volume or pan and move on, skipping the 
step o f opening the item properties dialog.
>
> All this being said, switching to the mac is no easy feat at first, its a 
> brand new OS and file structure and a  brand new screen reader scheme to 
> learn as well. This basically includes forgetting most of what you learn 
> about windows and  learning how things tie together in new world. There is 
> a reason why a lot of people buy macs but never stop using their windows 
> machine. Nothing wrong with that, if you gotta get work done you gotta get 
> work done. While personally your issues with your  audio card made relish 
> in the glory that is core audio, Don’t think you can just buy a mac and be 
> using reaper tomorrow without spending at least two weeks  with your mac 
> as your only computer getting recomfortable with everything you can do on 
> a pc.
> Btw if you are actively using reaper on the mac already. Get in touch with 
> me, i could use  some assistance  testing something.
>
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Kyle
>> I am thinking about a Mac.
>> How old a Power Book can I get and still be able to run anything current?
>> I'm trying to ascertain how much or how little I need to invest to try a 
>> Mac.
>> Thanks,
>> Indi
>>
>> On 2/6/2014 1:56 PM, kyle wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I use reaper on the mac. Its reasonably accessible when you get past the
>>> controls not being in groups. My only problem with it is that i have ot
>>> constantly jump around the window, but other than that, reaper for mac
>>> is fine.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth"
>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Discovery
>>>
>>>
>>>> As of this moment I've spent less than half an hour in total poking
>>>> about in the Mac version, so I'm definitely not the best person to
>>>> answer that question. However accessible it may or may not turn out to
>>>> be though, I'd say that for general usage or anything where I care
>>>> about productivity, I'm using VoiceOver a lot less nowadays. Tbh, if
>>>> I'm booted into Mac OS at all, at this point it's because I'm using
>>>> Pro Tools for something, and once that thing is done, I'm outta there.
>>>> All subjective of course, and you can bet your boots there are people
>>>> here who'd disagree vigorously.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/14, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> Scott, are there any functions you don't get with the Mac version of
>>>>> Reaper?
>>>>> Also, are there advantages?
>>>>> After configuring this USB soundcard for speech, and learning how Win7
>>>>> 64's audio configuration menus are messily scattered all over the
>>>>> computer, I'm getting more receptive to the talk that Windows is no 
>>>>> way
>>>>> to build a computer, and considering venturing into a Mac.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/6/2014 7:55 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder whether holding down CMD instead of CTRL would work in the
>>>>>> same places in the Mac version. Fairly sure that this isn't a
>>>>>> ReaAccess specific function.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/14, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks, David, those are definitely quicker ways to change volume 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> pan, which are maddenly slow with some of the other methods.
>>>>>>> Indi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/5/2014 6:19 PM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi & Greetings from Down Under,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps some of you, or mayhap all of you know this, but something 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> discovered while working in the Item Properties Dialog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all know that when an Item is Selected you can call up its
>>>>>>>> Properties
>>>>>>>> Dialog by using Shift plus F2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The two parameters, Volume & Pan, when they have the Focus, can be
>>>>>>>> altered by using the Up & Down Arrows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Volume parameter will Increment or Decrement by around point7 
>>>>>>>> 5db
>>>>>>>> The Pan parameter will Increment (Left) or Decrement (Right) by 3 
>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>> cent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, when the Control key is also used with the Up and Down 
>>>>>>>> Arrow
>>>>>>>> keys, the Increment and Decrement amounts become much much smaller
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> each parameter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this was of some benefit to someone, it sure was for me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David P Shortland
>>>>>>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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