[RWP] Is Izotope an accessible VST?

Scott Lawlor sklawlor at me.com
Tue Dec 16 18:37:21 EST 2014 

I don't think I've tried ozone yet.  I tried iris and couldn't get it to
bring anything in but I may check out the other one.


-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:35 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] Is Izotope an accessible VST?

Is Nectar Elements some sort of stripped down version? If so, I haven't
tried that one. Anybody else?

Ozone is an overwhelming beast (literally hundreds of parameters that can be
modified), but the presets are mostly good starting points that can do some
of the heavy lifting for you.

Last I checked, iZotope had demos of all their stuff. Maybe grab those and
see how you get on?

On 12/16/14, Crystal Dennis <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Izotope plugs I am most interested in are ozone and Nectar 
> Elements (the 30 dollar one since it's all I can afford at the moment) 
> Moreso Nectar Elements, so I am most interested on how that one would 
> work with Rea access and or Sonar....debating installing Sonar and 
> giving it another go, lol
>
> Crystal
>
> On 12/16/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Scott,
>>
>> Ah, this is where it gets a bit confusing. When I talk about 
>> parameters being exposed to automation in this context, I'm talking 
>> about the method ReaAccess uses to get some control over plugins when 
>> their native user interface that's in the fx window isn't accessible 
>> to screen reader software. IN a nutshell, ReaAccess intercepts the 
>> parameters that are primarily intended for control surfaces. It's 
>> kinda a hacky method, but it works. What you're talking about, 
>> automating plugs, isn't any more possible in Reaper than in Sonar so 
>> far as I know. Better automation support was on the list of features 
>> that'd been improved in ReaAccess 2.0, but as you probably know, the 
>> developer vanished in a puff of smoke without releasing that 
>> version... doh!
>>
>> I haven't used Reverberate, but just going on past experience it's 
>> fairly unlikely that the button you'd need to load impulses will be 
>> exposed as a parameter that shows up in the Shift+P list. Same with a 
>> lot of synths and their load buttons unfortunately. I've asked many a 
>> developer to rectify this, but only seen occasional results. One 
>> common problem is that even if the button could be triggered by 
>> automation, you wouldn't be in the right window to read the menu that 
>> it'd load. This is, of course, assuming that it's a native Windows 
>> menu and not some other funky custom colection of controls that're 
>> designed to behave the same cross platform, which more often than not 
>> aren't accessible.
>>
>> Might be worth pointing out that ReaVerb (the stock Reaper reverb
>> plugin) can be used to load impulses easily enough, but from what you 
>> were saying it sounds like Reverberate properly does cool stuff to 
>> them afterward that ReaVerb won't. Even so, it's good to know that 
>> the stock pplugin will do the job if you've got a decent impulse 
>> collection. I was impressed enough with Valhalla to pick those up, 
>> and haven't felt the need to rock the reverb boat since then. Tbh 
>> though, I'm not an advanced verb user, I only bring it out for subtle 
>> textures and glue now and then.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/14, Scott Lawlor <sklawlor at me.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> I didn't know you could do automation with plugs.  I remember 
>>> reading a while back that with sonar for instance, automation lanes 
>>> were inaccesible.
>>>
>>> Does reaper use a different type of automation process?
>>>
>>> I have a plugin by liquid sonics called reverberate, not sure if 
>>> you've heard of it but you're apparently able to use impulse files 
>>> to create really complex reverbs that are great for ambient and 
>>> drone music.
>>>
>>> With reaper, when I pull this plugin up, I get around 42 presets and 
>>> can't figure out how to import impulse files.  Perhaps that a task 
>>> that automation could expose parameters to, I don't know.
>>>
>>> I used eventides blackhole for a 14 day trial but thought $199 was a 
>>> bit much for a reverb, especially when the valhalla stuff is also 
>>> pretty good at
>>> $50 a plugin.
>>>
>>> Besides, I hated the iLok system, probably more than ITunes and 
>>> that's saying a lot.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>>> Chesworth
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:59 AM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Is Izotope an accessible VST?
>>>
>>> It's a mixed bag, hard to give a definitive answer without knowing 
>>> which titles and tasks you're interested in. I've got Ozone 5, 
>>> Alloy, Nectar and RX 2 here, which all get a fair amount of use. 
>>> Ozone and RX aren't the latest versions, I just haven't seen enough 
>>> movement on the accessibility front to justify upgrading. For the 
>>> ones that are accessible, I'd classify them as kind of usable rather 
>>> than 100% accessible, reason being that they do still seem to need a 
>>> bit of trickery here and there and all of them seem to have their 
>>> quirks.
>>> Lots of parameters are exposed to automation though, so if you like 
>>> that method of using plugs then you're in good hands.
>>>
>>> Let us know more specifics, might be able to narrow down what works 
>>> and what doesn't for you.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/16/14, Crystal Dennis <valkyriecelesyt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Pretty much what the title says:  Does anyone have experience with 
>>>> the Izotope line of VSTs, and are they accessible with NVDA or 
>>>> JAWS?  I tried to use Izotopes Nectar Elements VST and couldn't get 
>>>> the presets to work, but I was trying in audacity so I'm not sure 
>>>> if that's just an audacity thing or if it's overall just 
>>>> inaccessible with a screenreader (I've switched over to NVDA since 
>>>> getting a new computer) in general though, are Izotope's plugs workable
with a screenreader?
>>>> Ozone and any other VST in their line -  a friend showed them to me 
>>>> and I love them, but don't want to invest in them unless I know for 
>>>> sure that they work.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Crystal
>>>>
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