[RWP] reaaccess problem - It will not get installed on reaper 32bit, in windows 64bit

Fri Aug 29 07:36:41 EDT 2014

I do not like the adat interface.

For one thing, if you go to a higher sampling rate, you loose half your 
i/o, if you had 8 pres, esmux will only allow you to use 4.

YOu also have to change clock settings, and sometimes that means getting 
back in that control pannel again, and we all know what that means.

If you can, get an interface which has all the i/o on it you will need 
natively.

Or get one which allows you to gang up 2 or more of them together, they 
will show up as one asio device.

On 8/29/2014 6:27 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> the smallest such mackie unit is the 820i which which is probably too big for you. Focusrite made a Saffire pro 24 which i think is what you ar elooking for with ADAT included so you can add more mic pres if needed, similar to how the 1212 from E-mu is laid out. Buying used, most ebayers are pretty up front about whether or not their gear was used in smoke free spaces and waht condition they are in.
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:36 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>> Everything that eMu made, from the little 0404 PCI to the 1820M, except the USB units, all employ the dreaded PatchMix, as far as I know.
>> Hadi's unit is PCI, but some folks in the KVR forum say that the latest, 2012, beta 64 bit driver works for either PCI units or PCIE units.
>> I don't know, it's just the crapshoot of how the drivers and hardware cooperate with one's particular computer and its motherboard, I guess.
>> I looked up your Mackie Onyx 1220I, which certainly has impressive specs.
>> I would never need 8 microphones plugged in all at once, so I looked for a simpler Mackie unit with the same mixer features; but with only 2 microphone inputs, but there doesn't seem to be one, or is there?
>> I love all those auxiliary ins and outs you get per channel, I can think of a ton of ways those would come in handy.
>> I also looked up the Focusrite Sapphire Pro, since I have been impressed with its sound, and found the Sapphire Pro 40; with 20 ins and outs, 8 preAmps, overkill for my needs.
>> I can sort of see the way Mackie, and Focusrite are thinking, that is, their microphone ins also switch to line ins, even D I's on 2 of the inputs, so they reduce the number of jacks on the unit; nice, but I still feel like I'm paying for 8 microphone preAmps when I only need 2.
>> I'm hoping someone here will know if Mackie or Focusrite made an equally high quality but simpler unit, with 2 mic ins and at least 4 line ins, with a control panel or software editor that really is accessible.
>> Also, no amount of online research tells me if all the Sapphire Pro preAmps are of equal quality.
>> I'm thinking that if the price goes down, so does the sound quality!
>> FocusRite uses the same advertising hipe for all models, top quality, unsurpassed, pristine.
>> Doesn't everybody say that?
>> I'm also thinking that if I only need a 2 mic unit, I should be able to find one used with little wear, since the tendency seems to be to move up to more complex rigs, as musicians get involved in bands and multiple microphone setups.
>> I generally hate used gear, grimy with wobbly knobs, clogged up with tobacco tars, but sometimes it's the opposite, gear from some years back still had all metal pots and much sturdier faders, and when you get back to the Made In Japan era, the ones I had were built like battleShips and never quit working.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Indi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2014 11:32 PM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>> Hi & Greetings from The Island Continent
>>>
>>> Tis great that you have the inputs showing up in REAPER 32Bit.
>>>
>>> Do your Inputs & Outputs function as they should? Since you have the Emu 1212 does this card not require the PatchMix?
>>>
>>> When it comes to your next audio card, mayhap your first consideration is obviously budget. Then how much more could you possibly push to get that little extra?
>>>
>>> Once you have established your ceiling start here and ask everyone what they use, and then spend a lot of time researching with Google.
>>>
>>> I say start here because us folks will tell you what we use, and how easy it has or has not been for us to implement our audio cards into our workspaces studios etc. Sometimes it can be very heartbreaking and downright frustrating and time consuming.
>>>
>>> Once you have heard from us, Google for audio cards and read the reviews... read the reviews... and then read the reviews.
>>>
>>> Corelate what you find with what we have said, and hopefully you should end up with something that will at least in the first instance be able to give you audio from just about plug in stage...:)
>>>
>>> If anyone else has any ideas in this arena feel free to throw your thoughts this way...
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> David P Shortland
>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hadi Rezaee
>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:12 AM
>>> To: rwp at reaaccess.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] reaaccess problem - It will not get installed on reaper 32bit, in windows 64bit
>>>
>>> Hi David
>>> I installed reaper 32bit and now my inputs are listed correctly in
>>> reaper, and they seem to be pre-configured or something.
>>> I'm not really a pro-recorder, So i think i will use this emu-1212m
>>> without any settings or anything, just default settings, untill i get
>>> some money to grab a great audio interface.
>>> I might create another topic for this, but I'm wondering what should i
>>> buy if i want to junk this emu-1212m.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2014 1:39 AM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>>> Hi & Greetings from Somewhere South of the Middle Bit...
>>>>
>>>> Yes Indy you are absolutely correct. All the routing needs to be addressed in the Patch Mix.
>>>>
>>>> The reason you cannot here from your Inputs 5 & 6 is because they are not configured in PatchMix.
>>>>
>>>>  From what I recall of the Session I sent you, I only had Inputs 1 thru 4 configured.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the Inputs 1 & 2 on the Front Panel are a multi plug Input. Not only does it handle both Phono 6.5mm and XLR for Mics, but it can also take a Neutrik/Speakon connector.
>>>>
>>>> I used to really love my 1820M, but when I bought a new 64bit machine with Windows 7, I really had no other option than to change sound cards and went for the Mackie Onyx 1220I.
>>>>
>>>> I have had no regrets in doing this, and the headaches are now virtually non existant.
>>>>
>>>> In this day and age where machines can now handle most things we can throw at them in audio, why make our lives more complicated by using hardware/software that is inaccessable. There are certainly now quite a few companies who produce good hi-end accessable user friendly hardware in the audio interface department.
>>>>
>>>> I believe there still might be a few people on the Emu forums who can help out by doing the Patch Mix for you, give it a shot.
>>>>
>>>> TTFN...
>>>>
>>>> David P Shortland
>>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Indigo
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:50 AM
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] reaaccess problem - It will not get installed on reaper 32bit, in windows 64bit
>>>>
>>>> I got the clue to set my eMu 1616M's outputs as 15/16 from Sonar, which
>>>> automatically recognized 15/16 as outputs when I installed Sonar 8.5.3.
>>>> It let me hear anything playing or input into Sonar, so I've continued
>>>> to use 15/16 as outputs.
>>>> In Reaper, outputs 15/16 also works to hear anything played or fed into
>>>> Reaper.
>>>>
>>>> Now, inputs are a different story, one I understand even less.
>>>> I am supposed to get 2 microphone XLR jacks, 2 Hi-Z electric guitar
>>>> jacks in the middle of the XLR microphone jacks.
>>>> These are both controlled by the same level knobs on the eMu box, so
>>>> those count only as 2 inputs, left and right.
>>>> Then on the back of the box I have 4 line level quarter-inch jacks,
>>>> which should show up as left and right 1 plus left and right 2, but I
>>>> can only get left and right 1 to work.
>>>> I configured Reaper to use input 1 as first and input 6 as last; hoping
>>>> to include the 2 microphone jacks and both sets of line level inputs;
>>>> but nothing I do seems to let me hear anything plugged into that second
>>>> set of line level jacks.
>>>> I know the problem must be in PatchMix, which I can't access.
>>>>
>>>> I tried using the session template marked all inputs and outputs, which
>>>> made no difference.
>>>> So, I seem to be limited to 2 microphones; or; 2 electric guitar jacks,
>>>> plus 2 line-level input jacks.
>>>> A friend sent me a session template file that allowed all the inputs on
>>>> his eMu 1820 card to work, but it seems not to help to get that second
>>>> set of line level jacks to work on my 1616M
>>>> As beautiful as it sounds, to me; this eMu card is like an enigma hidden
>>>> inside a mystery hidden inside a riddle.
>>>> I believe even Steven Hawking or Bill Gates couldn't puzzle it out!
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/27/2014 11:35 AM, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
>>>>> Hi Indi.
>>>>> Now i have this problem.. I don't know what input range should i select in REAPER settings.
>>>>> I tried  setting input as the first, and input 8 as the last, and output 15 as the first, and output 16 as the last.
>>>>> But i can't hear my guitar when i plug it in into the kard L or Kard R. and when i apply effects.
>>>>> Any ideas...?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/27/2014 6:53 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>> Hadi, I love the sound of my eMu 1616M, but I sure don't love it's problems, just use it anyway.
>>>>>> In Reaper's preferences, I set input 1 as the first, and input 6 as the last.
>>>>>> For outputs, I set 15 as the first and 16 as the last.
>>>>>> this is the only way I get mine to work properly.
>>>>>> Here are links to download the proper 64-bit driver, and link to the proper PatchMix driver.
>>>>>> Of course, install the driver first, reboot, then install PatchMix.
>>>>>> Below the links, I'll talk about how I set the default session file for PatchMix, which you probably already know
>>>>>> Here are the links, hope they are active:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use the 2.30 beta driver (EmuPMX_PCDrv_US_2_30_00_BETA.exe)
>>>>>> http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=11913
>>>>>> 2.20 app/PatchMix (EmuPMX_PCApp_US_2_20_00.exe)!
>>>>>> http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=12479
>>>>>> Hadi, to choose a session template, I go to C:\Program Files\Creative Professional\
>>>>>> and arrow to the program itself, open that and go to session templates, and arrow through all those session templates until I find the factory default one for the one that is for my card and the bit rate I'm recording at.
>>>>>> I press enter on it, which actually results in it being chosen, although it doesn't appear to have worked, it actually does.
>>>>>> To escape from PatchMix I need to hit alt+f4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man, I've intended to find a way to configure PatchMix, but my sighted wife can't make heads or tails of that confusing mess of numbers in PatchMix, so I just use the factory default session template.
>>>>>> Actually we can delete all those extra session templates for cards we don't have, like the ones for 0404, 1818, etcetera, which makes it easier to find the ones for our particular card.
>>>>>> It's a great-sounding card, but a crappy company, with horrible support.
>>>>>> Hope these drivers work for you, the forums say they will work for either the PCI or PCIE cards, don't know how that could be, but there's no choice other than these Windows 7 64 bit drivers.
>>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/27/2014 9:38 AM, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> Indi, Here's the problem that i have with my audio interface:
>>>>>>> When i install the reaper 64bit version, it shows 32 output/inputs for my Audio interface, instead of my 8 one.
>>>>>>> For example, instead of these inputs: kard L, Kard R, SPDIF1, SPDIF2,
>>>>>>> It shows 32 inputs by number, like this:
>>>>>>> Asio 1 in
>>>>>>> asia 2 in.
>>>>>>> But when i install the 32bit version of reaper, i get the normal ins and outs.
>>>>>>> I think i  have the PCI version of EMU. can I install the PCIE version of the driver, to see that if it works?
>>>>>>> I google searched, and i found the PCIE version, which is released on 2012, the beta one.
>>>>>>> Is it the one that you currently have installed?
>>>>>>> Here's the page that i found:
>>>>>>> http://support.creative.com/downloads/welcome.aspx?nDriverType=11#type_11
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/27/2014 5:31 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hadi, there is a Windows 7 64 bit driver that works for your eMu 1212M.
>>>>>>>> I know, because I have the eMu 1616M PCIE, and it runs fine on 64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium with the more recently released 64 bit driver.
>>>>>>>> I think it's a re-written version of the beta driver that Creative released around 2010 for 64-bit Vista, which nearly worked, with some issues.
>>>>>>>> In 2013 Creative issued an improved 64-bit driver for their older PCIE interfaces.
>>>>>>>> You can google for eMu 1212M Windows 7 64-bit driver, and you'll get the exact World Creative page to download the driver.
>>>>>>>> If you can't find it by googling, I'll post the download link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for installing Reaper x64 and ReaAccess, mixing 32 and 64 bit Reaper files has been done, but, it's way simpler to install only the 64-bit version of Reaper on a computer running Windows 7 64 bit, and install only the 32-bit Reaper on a computer.
>>>>>>>> running XP 32-bit.
>>>>>>>> As for ReaAccess, there is only 1 version that works on both 32 and 64 bits.
>>>>>>>> Install Reaper first, then open and close Reaper before installing ReaAccess.
>>>>>>>> You didn't say what screenreader you're using.
>>>>>>>> Jaws, NVDA and System Access all work for Reaper in 64-bits, but Window-Eyes can't run 64-bit Reaper.
>>>>>>>> Hope any of this helps,
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2014 5:41 AM, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thanks guys, for replying.
>>>>>>>>> So, I see some reaaccess files in my reaper x64 directory. I'm assuming that these are for  the reaper 64bit version, right?
>>>>>>>>> How would i find the 32 bit version of the files? since i cannot install reaaccess when a 32bit version of reaper is installed.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunetly i have not a portable backup of REAPER. Is it possible that one of you guys who has a 32bit version of reaper, copies all the reaaccess files and send it to me?
>>>>>>>>> Also, Apparently emu-1212m is a real headake when it comes to 64bit edition of windows, since it is  very old. it'ss very sad.
>>>>>>>>> I have been reading and googling for 4 hours straight, but that only is giving me more headake, so I should find a way to get those reaaccess files. which are for 32bit version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2014 6:17 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You have to copy the files from a working install for reaccess.
>>>>>>>>>> and the dll for your screen-reader.
>>>>>>>>>> Also the keymap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't remember exactly which files,
>>>>>>>>>> but if you browse around in the reaper directories, you'll see then like nvda client.dll or some such,
>>>>>>>>>> and you also have to copy the keymap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And it has to be the right version for a 32 or 64 bit
>>>>>>>>>> install, the access files are different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> YOu certainly can run 32 bit reaper on a 64 bit os, you just can't install it
>>>>>>>>>> like you found out reaccess will always assume the os you are on is the version you want to run.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you made a portable copy or two lying around someplace of your 32 bit installs with everything working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for the sound card, emu made some pretty good stuff for the day,
>>>>>>>>>> but like so much  great
>>>>>>>>>> hardware from the past, manufacturers eventually quit writing good drivers for stuff because they want to sell you more hardware, they can't make any money.
>>>>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So maybe you can find an old vista 64 bit driver that will work, or maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go check the manufacturer's website and see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/26/2014 6:21 PM, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi uguys.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have faced a very terrible problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have upgraded my memory from 4GB to 8GB. So i installed win7 64bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> I installed REAPER 64bit, but my audio interface which is emu-1212M, cannot be detected in REAPER 64bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> So i installed REAPER 32 bit, in my windows.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now when i run  reaaccess.exe, it keeps saying to run and close REAPER. Apparently it thinks that I'm running a 64bit version of REAPER, because my windows is 64bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any hacks/fixes for this that you can think of?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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