[RWP] SONAR to REAPER.pdf

Tue Aug 26 07:49:06 EDT 2014

hi all.
'i use fine reader to open pdf it is not perpect but better than orher 
things 'i tried.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] SONAR to REAPER.pdf

While the concept is good, the practice has lots to be desired.

Pdf's don't convert 100 percent, and adobe is a pain, and well, it's
easy to use the find command, and or use html or rtf, or some other
easier format.

I know some of those formats don't provide the stated functionallity of
pdf, but
I still think because of the many factors
attending to pdf, they have to be authored correctly to be accessible, and
so on and so forth, it's not my favorite format, but it's here to stay
apparently,
so we have to deal with it sometimes.

On 8/23/2014 10:37 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> PDF’s can be useful, especially it they have a table of contents easier to 
> keep your place and jump around document. I actually stopped converting 
> most PDF’s to text as for large documents its not practical to read that 
> way.
> On Aug 22, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I just cllicked on the link provided here, then once it opened and 
>> displayed, I selected all with ctrl+a and copied the whole text to 
>> clipboard, with ctrl+C then pasted it with ctr+V into Jarte, my favorite 
>> word processer, and saved it as SonarToReaper.txt.
>>
>> Unless you really want the links that jump quickly to topics, I think the 
>> time waiting to load PDF's  is a pain, and always convert them to text 
>> anyway.
>> Indi
>> On 8/22/2014 4:17 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>>> where can you get this sonar to reaper pdf?
>>>
>>> On 8/22/14, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sadly, nope. It's not a case of training VoiceOver to recognize
>>>> colours. The meters are currently invisible so there's nothing to
>>>> teach Vo, and no VO function to do so even if that weren't the case.
>>>> This one has gotta come from either the Reaper developers who could
>>>> expose the meters as part of the channel strip GUI for each track, or
>>>> via the same method ReaAccess uses which queries the API.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/21/14, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> In Cockos Forums they say that, beginning in version 4, volume became 
>>>>> a
>>>>> bar graph display, instead of the old-fashioned meters of previous
>>>>> versions.
>>>>> I think, as the bar creeps to the right it changes color, becoming red
>>>>> when recording levels become too hot.
>>>>> If voice over has color properties detection, turn that on and tell it
>>>>> to let you know when it sees red.
>>>>> Jaws and Window-eyes can do that, but I haven't configured that 
>>>>> feature
>>>>> in eons.
>>>>> In the forums they said to get old-style meters, choose expanded theme
>>>>> in mixer.
>>>>> I'm not sure how that could be applied to your problem, but maybe look
>>>>> for an expanded theme somewhere.
>>>>> In Reaper I think I chose Classic Theme sometime way back, , but 
>>>>> forget
>>>>> where those are chosen.
>>>>> Hope any of this helps,
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/2014 8:08 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>> Either  Reaper's developers will have to make the meters visible to
>>>>>> voiceover or we'll have to find a way to grab it from the API and 
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>> it to some kind of speech output, Given what i know of the mac the
>>>>>> latter
>>>>>> shouldn't be too difficult for someone who is fimilar with the 
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>> It's the one major thing that  VO doesn't read as it reads pretty 
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> every thing else considerably better than it does on windows.
>>>>>> On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again Scott, I forgot, shouldn't assume anything isn't from
>>>>>>> ReaAccess.
>>>>>>> I meant to google for straight Reaper's method for displaying the
>>>>>>> meters,
>>>>>>> for a clue how mac users could locate the meters.
>>>>>>> If you mac users knew where on the screen the meters are displayed,
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> you have a method to get Voice Over to read what the meters are
>>>>>>> showing,
>>>>>>> or does some script need to be written to convert the bit map image
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> speech?
>>>>>>> I mean, if the meters are pictures of old-fashioned VU meters, with 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> needle pointing to numbers, is that a complex problem to get 
>>>>>>> translated
>>>>>>> into spoken numbers?
>>>>>>> I'm trying to get a handle onto how much difficulty it is to get 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> access with a mac, in case I decide to make my life more complicated
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> day by buying a mac.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/20/2014 7:53 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>> Your meters being read in Windows is an API-based ReaAccess 
>>>>>>>> function,
>>>>>>>> so there's not a Mac equivalent for that yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/20/14, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> When a track is recording or playing in Reaper's track view press
>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>> j or k key on your qwerty keyboard.
>>>>>>>>> On 8/20/2014 12:22 PM, David Eagle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> No, the meter readings don't show on the Mac version with voice
>>>>>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>>>>> Where do they show on the windows version?
>>>>>>>>>> So can anyone offer any clarification about triggering items with
>>>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>>>> keys?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:12, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're on mac, and it isn't showing the left and right meters 
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> j
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> k keys, as it would with a PC?
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/20/2014 5:58 AM, David Eagle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there an equivalent to matrix in reaper? I'm sure I read
>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere
>>>>>>>>>>>> that it is possible to trigger a part of a project and samples
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> midi. I haven't played with midi yet. In fact, I'm sure I saw 
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>> to trigger an item with a midi note. So far I'm finding editing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper much quicker and easier than with sonar. And I've used
>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> ten years, and reaper for less than a month. I just wish there 
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> way of reading the db meter. I've sent an email to reaper, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> response yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
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