[RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and contacting Reaper developers
Indigo
33indigo at charter.net
Mon Aug 4 15:36:09 EDT 2014
When in NVDA, when I press alt+P I hear ripple off, when I press alt+P
again I hear ripple one track, when I press alt+p a third time I hear
ripple all trax, then when I press alt+p a 4th time I assume it goes
back to the default ripple 1 track.
On 8/4/2014 11:45 AM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> All I can say is that alt+p is not a key that is assigned to jaws in
> the standard reaper key map that came with reAccess.
> So, I dont' think it is jaws that is deciding what gets said there.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest McCullough"
> <emccullough1 at nyc.rr.com>
> To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings,and contacting
> Reaper developers
>
>
>> On a somewhat unrelated note:
>> How do I get Jaws to announce the different states of ripple editing?
>> When I
>> press Alt P, it just says ripple editing.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:51 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and contacting
>> Reaper developers
>>
>> Thanks for these tips, David.
>>
>> On 8/3/2014 4:52 AM, David P Shortland wrote:
>>> Hi & Greetings from The Land Down Under,
>>>
>>> Not sure if this is what you want Indy, but Control plus Left or Right
>>> Bracket gives you the beginning and end of and Item.
>>>
>>> Usually I do this to Select any item in a given track.
>>>
>>> With Control plus Shift plus Right Arrow this will select items to the
>>> right of your current position...
>>>
>>> Ergo Control plus Shift plus Left Arrow will Select items to the Left
>>> of your current position.
>>>
>>> I just recently completed a Radio Musical where I had many many Items
>>> on a trak, and found it very easy to Select a particular Item and then
>>> to hit TAB to brin up a very short Item Parameters Dialog box.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have also found that the Control plus Up Arrow three times plus
>>> Applications Key does bring up the extended I/O Menu...
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> David P Shortland
>>> DragonScore Productions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Indigo
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:58 AM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and
>>> contacting Reaper developers
>>>
>>> Hi Oreo Monster,
>>> If the input menu that you don't get reliably with Mac is the one that
>>> you get with PC from repeated presses of the tab key, when a track is
>>> selected, it's always there for PC, and certainly should be made
>>> reliably available for mac as well.
>>> I arm the track for recording, also set record monitor on, or monitor
>>> item on, with that menu, and don't know how I'd do without it.
>>> There's another more extensive recording input menu reached on a PC by
>>> ctrl+3up arrows, then a single press of the applications key; with
>>> ctrl+many
>>> input and output options, also monitoring options.
>>> On the PC you always hear how many items are on a track, with shift+a
>>> or
>>> ctrl+shift+right or left arrow, but on the PC I find it difficult to
>>> single out a particular item.
>>> It's easy enough to select item 1, but if you press ctrl+shift+right
>>> arrow too many times you select all of the items on that track that
>>> are to the right of the cursor, when what I'm actually trying to
>>> select is only the second or third item, etcetera, on that track.
>>> I have to begin again with selecting an item, because I am fuzzy about
>>> exactly how to unselect unwanted items.
>>> Maybe someone else has an obvious PC tip on how to do individual
>>> selection of items, but speaking the item numbers is very reliable on
>>> PC.
>>> Also, speaking track numbers and what synth or effect is on a
>>> particular track is totally reliable on PC.
>>> You Mac users should ask for better Mac access on Cockos Forums,
>>> listing these specific instances of difficult access.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2014 4:47 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>> Mac wirse, putting the track list in containers to make it easier to
>>>> navigate, Showing the input menu and meters and tracks properly
>>>> sho/speak their state e.g. if its a track, a bus, or a folder track.
>>>> Would be also nice if they spoke how many items were on each track
>>>> more consistently. Right now it only seems to do this when its on the
>>>> last track in the list. Let me know you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Victor Tsaran <vtsaran at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vtsaran at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys.
>>>>> I tried on multiple occasions. I hear Frank is asking for help but
>>>>> with all the help given, I still do not understand what kind of help
>>>>> they need. These guys are such pros and they can't figure out
>>>>> accessibility?
>>>>> I think perhaps what they rather need is a prioritized list of our
>>>>> needs. They've made toolbars accessible, however, there are still a
>>>>> fair amount of pitfalls. For example, what do you feel are the
>>>>> biggest pinpoints in Reaper's lack of accessibility?
>>>>>
>>>>> To be fair, building accessibility into an application which is full
>>>>> of custom controls is much much harder in Windows than it is on the
>>>>> Mac. The easiest way for Reaper debs to eliminate accessibility
>>>>> barriers is to use as many native controls as possible, which, as we
>>>>> know, is not always possible due to the majority of sighted people
>>>>> who wants it cute and pretty! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So, perhaps we can use this thread to agree amongst ourselves as to
>>>>> what we need first? Keep in mind that the needs of Mac users will be
>>>>> different from those on Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net
>>>>> <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of us can actually get access problems expressed clearly,
>>>>> it's possible to converse with Justin Frankel and other developers
>>>>> on the forums.
>>>>> I myself am satisfied with Reaper and ReaAccess; just work simply,
>>>>> and hunt for workArounds, but if it irritates enough, someone
>>>>> could join the Cockos Forums and express clearly what would make
>>>>> access better, it might be included in the next update.
>>>>> If the changes don't hurt the sighted user, like so much text that
>>>>> thclutters the screen to the point sighted users can't find the
>>>>> icons, it might happen.
>>>>> We could ask for total tool tips that would appear when hovering
>>>>> over icons for a selectable time; , or text labels that can be
>>>>> switched on and off in the menus, or an all text-based layout we
>>>>> could select from the view menu.
>>>>> I don't know about the tool box used to write Reaper, but I looked
>>>>> at SynthEdit, which has a field to provide text labels for each
>>>>> bit map image, but developers just use text to remind themselves
>>>>> of what their icons do during program writing, then go back and
>>>>> delete the text later, so the screen isn't so cluttered.
>>>>> A text label switch isn't too much to ask for.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/31/2014 3:28 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, Reaper development tends to be heavily tied
>>>>> in with
>>>>> and influenced by forum activity. So, Vic's approach of
>>>>> starting a
>>>>> thread where votes can be placed is probably the right one.
>>>>> Unfortunately, we don't have the numbers to bring about
>>>>> activity with
>>>>> a flurry of votes when you compare accessibility posts to
>>>>> bugs and
>>>>> feature requests intended for all users, but previously,
>>>>> accessibility
>>>>> tweaks and improvements have happened just before a major
>>>>> version
>>>>> number increment, so with us currently at 4.7 and version 5
>>>>> probably
>>>>> appearing in the not to distant future, now is definitely the
>>>>> time to
>>>>> be visible on the forum. I'm not saying any of this to
>>>>> discourage
>>>>> anyone from contacting developers directly btw, just filling
>>>>> David in
>>>>> on how the Reaper development cycle seems to work overall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hth
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/31/14, David Eagle <onlineeagle at googlemail.com
>>>>> <mailto:onlineeagle at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Vic, I haven't changed the appearance, apart from doing
>>>>> the things
>>>>> recommended in the SWS Extensions manual, and that was
>>>>> just a couple of
>>>>> very minor changes in preferences. I think it might be a
>>>>> good idea to try
>>>>> getting back to the original configuration and seeing what
>>>>> you can achieve
>>>>> from there. Then we can at least work out why you're not
>>>>> getting the menu
>>>>> whereas Patrick and I are both able to find them.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the time being, it looks like the Re-console is going
>>>>> to have to be
>>>>> your work-around.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the subject of the DB readings issue: are those
>>>>> concerned going to
>>>>> contact the developer? I don't think there's any one
>>>>> particular person
>>>>> lobbying for Reaper accessibility like Slau and Protools,
>>>>> so perhaps the
>>>>> way forward with Reaper is for all of us concerned to
>>>>> contact the
>>>>> developers. Obviously the good thing about this mailing is
>>>>> that we can
>>>>> discuss problems to make sure they are universally
>>>>> applicable before
>>>>> emailing them, rather than confusing them with problems
>>>>> that are only
>>>>> present for one individual. I think that we Mac users are
>>>>> in the fortunate
>>>>> position to have a very accessible Reaper and so I don't
>>>>> think it would
>>>>> take a lot of effort and time to maintain and improve
>>>>> accessibility in
>>>>> future releases, which, according to the reaper website,
>>>>> are frequent.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I think it would be wise for those concerned to
>>>>> contact the developers
>>>>> about the DB meters issue. I'll paste a copy of the email
>>>>> to this mailing
>>>>> list once it's sent. Let's just hope they'll be open to
>>>>> starting a dialogue
>>>>> on this. I've only been using Reaper for a week, and have
>>>>> only started
>>>>> posting on here for a week, so I maybe jumping the gun in
>>>>> assuming that
>>>>> attempts to talk to Reaper haven't been made already.
>>>>> So I apologise if I am going over ground that's been gone
>>>>> over many times
>>>>> before but to no avail. I still think however that the
>>>>> more people who
>>>>> speak up will help the people at Reaper to see this as
>>>>> something to take
>>>>> more seriously, especially if we start the discussions by
>>>>> alerting them to
>>>>> how brilliantly accessible Reaper currently is for the Mac
>>>>> and Voice-Over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts welcome friends.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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