[RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and contacting Reaper developers
TheOreoMonster
TheOreoMonster at reaperacc.es
Mon Aug 4 09:03:05 EDT 2014
Thats just it the standard reaper keyboard shortcuts are scant. There are very few actions that have hotkeys assigned to them by default. Hence why to make it keyboard friendly you will have to go through and assign a lot yourself. This is because there are so many actions, to make it flexible it allows you to assign the ones you will need the most. There are no real “undiscovered menu’s or dialogs. Andy action a reaper user on the forum describes by right clicking or etc can be found on the toolbar, or in one of the menus anyone can access (e.g. File, Edit, view, tracks, insert, options, etc). or in the i/o dialog you can get for each track by pressing “I”.
On Aug 4, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
> There are a bunch of standard Reaper hot keys we don't normally use, though, that maybe we should learn.
> I've run into conflicts with a few of them and Wineyes shortcuts, so remapped a few.
> One day I'd like to open Reaper without ReaAccess and go through all the standard Reaper keyboard shortcuts to learn which could be useful, to bring up more of those as yet undiscovered Reaper menus and dialogs.
> I myself expect Reaper won't ever bring out a glitzyG U I, since there are so many sighted Reaper users who like working from the keyboard, and those are the really-hardCore knowledgeable users who chat directly with Frankel and others in the development team, and have the greatest influence on its future changes.
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> On 8/4/2014 2:49 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>> What most doesn’t realize a lot of what ReaAccess brought with it was keyboard shortcuts assigned to functions that we need to access from the keyboard that doesn’t have any hotkeys assigned to them by default. to make the mac version usable, I had to go through and assign them. That and ReaConsole gives us efficient access to the mass majority of reapers functionality. But yeah, out of the box while everything is visible with voice over just about, its not very usable without those two items first.If i were more of a programmer, i would of grid to hook up some more speech feedback, but alas i am just a power user who could figure out hhow to make it usable.
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>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, forgot about Ivan, and his help for PC users, but he's forgotten about us.
>>> You Mac users are doing pretty well with reaper, considering you are accessing it straight on, without ReaAccess.
>>> I tried that several times on PC, and it's not easy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2014 8:42 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> Just a quick note to say that the functionality Indie is referencing
>>>> at the tab key for each selected track is definitely an Ivan special,
>>>> not native to Reaper and therefore won't be appearing on Mac unless
>>>> someone cares to code it. IMO, the functions bound to F keys are more
>>>> valuable anyway, especially the CTRL+Shift+F keys announcing states
>>>> globally.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/14, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Oreo Monster,
>>>>> If the input menu that you don't get reliably with Mac is the one that
>>>>> you get with PC from repeated presses of the tab key, when a track is
>>>>> selected, it's always there for PC, and certainly should be made
>>>>> reliably available for mac as well.
>>>>> I arm the track for recording, also set record monitor on, or monitor
>>>>> item on, with that menu, and don't know how I'd do without it.
>>>>> There's another more extensive recording input menu reached on a PC by
>>>>> ctrl+3up arrows, then a single press of the applications key; with many
>>>>> input and output options, also monitoring options.
>>>>> On the PC you always hear how many items are on a track, with shift+a or
>>>>> ctrl+shift+right or left arrow, but on the PC I find it difficult to
>>>>> single out a particular item.
>>>>> It's easy enough to select item 1, but if you press ctrl+shift+right
>>>>> arrow too many times you select all of the items on that track that are
>>>>> to the right of the cursor, when what I'm actually trying to select is
>>>>> only the second or third item, etcetera, on that track.
>>>>> I have to begin again with selecting an item, because I am fuzzy about
>>>>> exactly how to unselect unwanted items.
>>>>> Maybe someone else has an obvious PC tip on how to do individual
>>>>> selection of items, but speaking the item numbers is very reliable on PC.
>>>>> Also, speaking track numbers and what synth or effect is on a particular
>>>>> track is totally reliable on PC.
>>>>> You Mac users should ask for better Mac access on Cockos Forums, listing
>>>>> these specific instances of difficult access.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/2/2014 4:47 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>> Mac wirse, putting the track list in containers to make it easier to
>>>>>> navigate, Showing the input menu and meters and tracks properly
>>>>>> sho/speak their state e.g. if its a track, a bus, or a folder track.
>>>>>> Would be also nice if they spoke how many items were on each track more
>>>>>> consistently. Right now it only seems to do this when its on the last
>>>>>> track in the list. Let me know you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Victor Tsaran <vtsaran at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:vtsaran at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys.
>>>>>>> I tried on multiple occasions. I hear Frank is asking for help but
>>>>>>> with all the help given, I still do not understand what kind of help
>>>>>>> they need. These guys are such pros and they can't figure out
>>>>>>> accessibility?
>>>>>>> I think perhaps what they rather need is a prioritized list of our
>>>>>>> needs. They've made toolbars accessible, however, there are still a
>>>>>>> fair amount of pitfalls. For example, what do you feel are the biggest
>>>>>>> pinpoints in Reaper's lack of accessibility?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be fair, building accessibility into an application which is full
>>>>>>> of custom controls is much much harder in Windows than it is on the
>>>>>>> Mac. The easiest way for Reaper debs to eliminate accessibility
>>>>>>> barriers is to use as many native controls as possible, which, as we
>>>>>>> know, is not always possible due to the majority of sighted people who
>>>>>>> wants it cute and pretty! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, perhaps we can use this thread to agree amongst ourselves as to
>>>>>>> what we need first? Keep in mind that the needs of Mac users will be
>>>>>>> different from those on Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any of us can actually get access problems expressed clearly,
>>>>>>> it's possible to converse with Justin Frankel and other developers
>>>>>>> on the forums.
>>>>>>> I myself am satisfied with Reaper and ReaAccess; just work simply,
>>>>>>> and hunt for workArounds, but if it irritates enough, someone
>>>>>>> could join the Cockos Forums and express clearly what would make
>>>>>>> access better, it might be included in the next update.
>>>>>>> If the changes don't hurt the sighted user, like so much text that
>>>>>>> thclutters the screen to the point sighted users can't find the
>>>>>>> icons, it might happen.
>>>>>>> We could ask for total tool tips that would appear when hovering
>>>>>>> over icons for a selectable time; , or text labels that can be
>>>>>>> switched on and off in the menus, or an all text-based layout we
>>>>>>> could select from the view menu.
>>>>>>> I don't know about the tool box used to write Reaper, but I looked
>>>>>>> at SynthEdit, which has a field to provide text labels for each
>>>>>>> bit map image, but developers just use text to remind themselves
>>>>>>> of what their icons do during program writing, then go back and
>>>>>>> delete the text later, so the screen isn't so cluttered.
>>>>>>> A text label switch isn't too much to ask for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/31/2014 3:28 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my experience, Reaper development tends to be heavily tied
>>>>>>> in with
>>>>>>> and influenced by forum activity. So, Vic's approach of starting
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> thread where votes can be placed is probably the right one.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, we don't have the numbers to bring about
>>>>>>> activity with
>>>>>>> a flurry of votes when you compare accessibility posts to bugs
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> feature requests intended for all users, but previously,
>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>> tweaks and improvements have happened just before a major
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>> number increment, so with us currently at 4.7 and version 5
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> appearing in the not to distant future, now is definitely the
>>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>> be visible on the forum. I'm not saying any of this to
>>>>>>> discourage
>>>>>>> anyone from contacting developers directly btw, just filling
>>>>>>> David in
>>>>>>> on how the Reaper development cycle seems to work overall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/31/14, David Eagle <onlineeagle at googlemail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:onlineeagle at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Vic, I haven't changed the appearance, apart from doing
>>>>>>> the things
>>>>>>> recommended in the SWS Extensions manual, and that was
>>>>>>> just a couple of
>>>>>>> very minor changes in preferences. I think it might be a
>>>>>>> good idea to try
>>>>>>> getting back to the original configuration and seeing what
>>>>>>> you can achieve
>>>>>>> from there. Then we can at least work out why you're not
>>>>>>> getting the menu
>>>>>>> whereas Patrick and I are both able to find them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the time being, it looks like the Re-console is going
>>>>>>> to have to be
>>>>>>> your work-around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the subject of the DB readings issue: are those
>>>>>>> concerned going to
>>>>>>> contact the developer? I don't think there's any one
>>>>>>> particular person
>>>>>>> lobbying for Reaper accessibility like Slau and Protools,
>>>>>>> so perhaps the
>>>>>>> way forward with Reaper is for all of us concerned to
>>>>>>> contact the
>>>>>>> developers. Obviously the good thing about this mailing is
>>>>>>> that we can
>>>>>>> discuss problems to make sure they are universally
>>>>>>> applicable before
>>>>>>> emailing them, rather than confusing them with problems
>>>>>>> that are only
>>>>>>> present for one individual. I think that we Mac users are
>>>>>>> in the fortunate
>>>>>>> position to have a very accessible Reaper and so I don't
>>>>>>> think it would
>>>>>>> take a lot of effort and time to maintain and improve
>>>>>>> accessibility in
>>>>>>> future releases, which, according to the reaper website,
>>>>>>> are frequent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I think it would be wise for those concerned to
>>>>>>> contact the developers
>>>>>>> about the DB meters issue. I'll paste a copy of the email
>>>>>>> to this mailing
>>>>>>> list once it's sent. Let's just hope they'll be open to
>>>>>>> starting a dialogue
>>>>>>> on this. I've only been using Reaper for a week, and have
>>>>>>> only started
>>>>>>> posting on here for a week, so I maybe jumping the gun in
>>>>>>> assuming that
>>>>>>> attempts to talk to Reaper haven't been made already.
>>>>>>> So I apologise if I am going over ground that's been gone
>>>>>>> over many times
>>>>>>> before but to no avail. I still think however that the
>>>>>>> more people who
>>>>>>> speak up will help the people at Reaper to see this as
>>>>>>> something to take
>>>>>>> more seriously, especially if we start the discussions by
>>>>>>> alerting them to
>>>>>>> how brilliantly accessible Reaper currently is for the Mac
>>>>>>> and Voice-Over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts welcome friends.
>>>>>>>
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