[RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and contacting Reaper developers
Ernest McCullough
emccullough1 at nyc.rr.com
Sun Aug 3 22:40:36 EDT 2014
On a somewhat unrelated note:
How do I get Jaws to announce the different states of ripple editing? When I
press Alt P, it just says ripple editing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:51 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and contacting
Reaper developers
Thanks for these tips, David.
On 8/3/2014 4:52 AM, David P Shortland wrote:
> Hi & Greetings from The Land Down Under,
>
> Not sure if this is what you want Indy, but Control plus Left or Right
> Bracket gives you the beginning and end of and Item.
>
> Usually I do this to Select any item in a given track.
>
> With Control plus Shift plus Right Arrow this will select items to the
> right of your current position...
>
> Ergo Control plus Shift plus Left Arrow will Select items to the Left
> of your current position.
>
> I just recently completed a Radio Musical where I had many many Items
> on a trak, and found it very easy to Select a particular Item and then
> to hit TAB to brin up a very short Item Parameters Dialog box.
>
> Yes, I have also found that the Control plus Up Arrow three times plus
> Applications Key does bring up the extended I/O Menu...
>
> Kind regards
>
> David P Shortland
> DragonScore Productions
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Indigo
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:58 AM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Recording inputs menu, meter readings, and
> contacting Reaper developers
>
> Hi Oreo Monster,
> If the input menu that you don't get reliably with Mac is the one that
> you get with PC from repeated presses of the tab key, when a track is
> selected, it's always there for PC, and certainly should be made
> reliably available for mac as well.
> I arm the track for recording, also set record monitor on, or monitor
> item on, with that menu, and don't know how I'd do without it.
> There's another more extensive recording input menu reached on a PC by
> ctrl+3up arrows, then a single press of the applications key; with
> ctrl+many
> input and output options, also monitoring options.
> On the PC you always hear how many items are on a track, with shift+a
> or
> ctrl+shift+right or left arrow, but on the PC I find it difficult to
> single out a particular item.
> It's easy enough to select item 1, but if you press ctrl+shift+right
> arrow too many times you select all of the items on that track that
> are to the right of the cursor, when what I'm actually trying to
> select is only the second or third item, etcetera, on that track.
> I have to begin again with selecting an item, because I am fuzzy about
> exactly how to unselect unwanted items.
> Maybe someone else has an obvious PC tip on how to do individual
> selection of items, but speaking the item numbers is very reliable on PC.
> Also, speaking track numbers and what synth or effect is on a
> particular track is totally reliable on PC.
> You Mac users should ask for better Mac access on Cockos Forums,
> listing these specific instances of difficult access.
> Indi
>
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2014 4:47 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>> Mac wirse, putting the track list in containers to make it easier to
>> navigate, Showing the input menu and meters and tracks properly
>> sho/speak their state e.g. if its a track, a bus, or a folder track.
>> Would be also nice if they spoke how many items were on each track
>> more consistently. Right now it only seems to do this when its on the
>> last track in the list. Let me know you think.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Victor Tsaran <vtsaran at gmail.com
>> <mailto:vtsaran at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys.
>>> I tried on multiple occasions. I hear Frank is asking for help but
>>> with all the help given, I still do not understand what kind of help
>>> they need. These guys are such pros and they can't figure out
>>> accessibility?
>>> I think perhaps what they rather need is a prioritized list of our
>>> needs. They've made toolbars accessible, however, there are still a
>>> fair amount of pitfalls. For example, what do you feel are the
>>> biggest pinpoints in Reaper's lack of accessibility?
>>>
>>> To be fair, building accessibility into an application which is full
>>> of custom controls is much much harder in Windows than it is on the
>>> Mac. The easiest way for Reaper debs to eliminate accessibility
>>> barriers is to use as many native controls as possible, which, as we
>>> know, is not always possible due to the majority of sighted people
>>> who wants it cute and pretty! :)
>>>
>>> So, perhaps we can use this thread to agree amongst ourselves as to
>>> what we need first? Keep in mind that the needs of Mac users will be
>>> different from those on Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net
>>> <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If any of us can actually get access problems expressed clearly,
>>> it's possible to converse with Justin Frankel and other developers
>>> on the forums.
>>> I myself am satisfied with Reaper and ReaAccess; just work simply,
>>> and hunt for workArounds, but if it irritates enough, someone
>>> could join the Cockos Forums and express clearly what would make
>>> access better, it might be included in the next update.
>>> If the changes don't hurt the sighted user, like so much text that
>>> thclutters the screen to the point sighted users can't find the
>>> icons, it might happen.
>>> We could ask for total tool tips that would appear when hovering
>>> over icons for a selectable time; , or text labels that can be
>>> switched on and off in the menus, or an all text-based layout we
>>> could select from the view menu.
>>> I don't know about the tool box used to write Reaper, but I looked
>>> at SynthEdit, which has a field to provide text labels for each
>>> bit map image, but developers just use text to remind themselves
>>> of what their icons do during program writing, then go back and
>>> delete the text later, so the screen isn't so cluttered.
>>> A text label switch isn't too much to ask for.
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2014 3:28 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>
>>> In my experience, Reaper development tends to be heavily tied
>>> in with
>>> and influenced by forum activity. So, Vic's approach of
>>> starting a
>>> thread where votes can be placed is probably the right one.
>>> Unfortunately, we don't have the numbers to bring about
>>> activity with
>>> a flurry of votes when you compare accessibility posts to
>>> bugs and
>>> feature requests intended for all users, but previously,
>>> accessibility
>>> tweaks and improvements have happened just before a major
>>> version
>>> number increment, so with us currently at 4.7 and version 5
>>> probably
>>> appearing in the not to distant future, now is definitely the
>>> time to
>>> be visible on the forum. I'm not saying any of this to
>>> discourage
>>> anyone from contacting developers directly btw, just filling
>>> David in
>>> on how the Reaper development cycle seems to work overall.
>>>
>>> Hth
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 7/31/14, David Eagle <onlineeagle at googlemail.com
>>> <mailto:onlineeagle at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Vic, I haven't changed the appearance, apart from doing
>>> the things
>>> recommended in the SWS Extensions manual, and that was
>>> just a couple of
>>> very minor changes in preferences. I think it might be a
>>> good idea to try
>>> getting back to the original configuration and seeing what
>>> you can achieve
>>> from there. Then we can at least work out why you're not
>>> getting the menu
>>> whereas Patrick and I are both able to find them.
>>>
>>> For the time being, it looks like the Re-console is going
>>> to have to be
>>> your work-around.
>>>
>>> On the subject of the DB readings issue: are those
>>> concerned going to
>>> contact the developer? I don't think there's any one
>>> particular person
>>> lobbying for Reaper accessibility like Slau and Protools,
>>> so perhaps the
>>> way forward with Reaper is for all of us concerned to
>>> contact the
>>> developers. Obviously the good thing about this mailing is
>>> that we can
>>> discuss problems to make sure they are universally
>>> applicable before
>>> emailing them, rather than confusing them with problems
>>> that are only
>>> present for one individual. I think that we Mac users are
>>> in the fortunate
>>> position to have a very accessible Reaper and so I don't
>>> think it would
>>> take a lot of effort and time to maintain and improve
>>> accessibility in
>>> future releases, which, according to the reaper website,
>>> are frequent.
>>>
>>> So, I think it would be wise for those concerned to
>>> contact the developers
>>> about the DB meters issue. I'll paste a copy of the email
>>> to this mailing
>>> list once it's sent. Let's just hope they'll be open to
>>> starting a dialogue
>>> on this. I've only been using Reaper for a week, and have
>>> only started
>>> posting on here for a week, so I maybe jumping the gun in
>>> assuming that
>>> attempts to talk to Reaper haven't been made already.
>>> So I apologise if I am going over ground that's been gone
>>> over many times
>>> before but to no avail. I still think however that the
>>> more people who
>>> speak up will help the people at Reaper to see this as
>>> something to take
>>> more seriously, especially if we start the discussions by
>>> alerting them to
>>> how brilliantly accessible Reaper currently is for the Mac
>>> and Voice-Over.
>>>
>>> Thoughts welcome friends.
>>>
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