[RWP] rob papen product line with NVDA and system access?

Wed Apr 9 22:47:40 EDT 2014

Patrick and all,

First off, let me explain that I am brand new in digital editing.  Another
words, I probably know and understand less than perhaps 95% of the people on
this wonderful list.  My goal is to get properly set up to be able to record
my own music, and then take the CAVI training corse in the Fundamentals of
Editing class in July.  I'm not opposed to the cost of doing things
correctly, I just don't want to spend money on anything I really don't need.
Someone on the list mentioned using a midi keyboard with installed programs
to patch into Reaper.  I purchased a Midi-Sport 2x2 I think it's called,
about seven months ago.  Would this be a better option then using a control
surface?  My keyboard here is a Kurzweil K2600.

The Korg Zahier recommended sounds good.  Could it be used with an Allen -
Heath USB 10Fx?  Otherwise do you have any other recommendations to look at?

Thanks all,

John

-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Perdue
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:39 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [RWP] rob papen product line with NVDA and system access?

I have one of these units. My biggest issue is that it's very hard, without
being able to access the inaccessible software, to change easily from using
it as a control surface for tracking and transport controls, as well as a
general device for sending arbitrary assignable messages for effects and the
like. With the Korg Nanokontrol editor, you can make specific midi CC and
NRPN maps and save them in the unit, but that doesn't work with any screen
reader.
So, as far as I'm concerned, it's really best if you use it for one or the
other, not both. I haven't tried to see what happens with two on the same
system, one configured as a general control surface, and the other as a
button/knob box.
There are a few steps to take in Reaper if you want to use a pre-existing
control surface standard vs. just a midi input device, to which anything can
be assigned.

On Apr 9, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Zahier Samad <hirza_1st at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
> You could take a look at the Korg nanoKONTROL2.
> It is about $50 US.
> 
> Zahier Samad
> 
>> On 9 Apr, 2014, at 1:43 pm, "John Chilelli" <jc.pr2511 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I'm getting to this thread quite late, but, do you guys have some lower
cost
>> control surface recommendations?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:28 AM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] rob papen product line with NVDA and system access?
>> 
>> Does it matter if we get automation from the typing keyboard, when 
>> control surfaces are so cheap and easy to use?
>> I'm amazed that there are any blind musicians who still refuse to 
>> benefit from using control surfaces, like sticking to the horse and 
>> buggy on a modern freeway!
>> I wouldn't suggest horses to get around, even though it's possible to 
>> train a guide horse.
>> I tried horses, and they bite and kick, not to mention laying down 
>> plenty of land mines to step into.
>> It seems irelevent to me whether we do automation by recording the 
>> output of a control surface, which we are able to hear in realtime as we 
>> move the physical controls,  or calculate it from the qwerty keyboard, 
>> which is way less intuitive.
>> Indi
>>> On 3/26/2014 4:32 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>> Don't forget that you can't actually automate parameters in this
dialogue
>> like you can with a control surface, I'.E. if you want to change things
over
>> time. That was one of the things supposedly offered by the
>> never-to-be-released ReaAccess 2.0, more automation directly from the
>> keyboard.
>>> Oh well.
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can always change the 0 to 1000 values in Reaper's shift+p
parameters
>> list., and, depending on which parameter, you  hear the preset's sound
>> change in realtime.
>>>> It's very tedious typing numbers into the value field, or
>> raising/lowering values with arrows or page up/page down, but requires no
>> additional equipment, like a control surface.
>>>> But, if you don't want to grow old and gray tweaking the sometimes
>> hundreds of parameters that a plug might have, I'd suggest a control
>> surface.
>>>> Sometimes you don't need to do much tweaking, like maybe go to Wet/Dry,
>> which is the last parameter listed, to shut off a preset's huge wash of
>> delay and reverb.
>>>> That's just a simple on/off switch, with a value of 1000 or zero.
>>>> Besides the shift+p parameters, there may be plenty of other options
and
>> switches that are only accessible from bit map images on a plug's
interface.
>>>> For those, you need some kind of already written scripts, or, to get
>> sighted help finding the bit map icons, then saving their coordinates and
>> finding a method to return to those coordinates.
>>>> Indi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/22/2014 6:36 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>> How's the ReaAccess parameters (shift-P) dialog for these? Can you
>>>>> tweak things, or are there just way too many params and things to do
>>>>> it that way?
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/22/14, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Depends on what you call access.
>>>>>> Predator, Blue, SubBoomBass, which are older Rob Papen synth I
>> have,plus
>>>>>> Albino, which is a LinPlug Synth, I believe written by Rob Papen, all
>>>>>> display their list of presets to Window-Eyes, Jaws and probably to
>> NVDA,
>>>>>> in Reaper.
>>>>>> I believe all those also respond to program Change messages, and
change
>>>>>> their presets, from any midi keyboard.
>>>>>> You can assign any of their displayed parameters to any control
>> surface,
>>>>>> by Midi Learn.
>>>>>> Predator has a special script that can be added to its registry entry
>>>>>> that offers more text labeling, don't know if that's for the older 32
>>>>>> bit versions only, or if it's available on 64 bits as well.
>>>>>> I never tried to access these plugs directly from their native
>>>>>> interfaces, just played their presets and made a few tweaks by midi
>> learn.
>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/18/2014 8:34 PM, trahern culver wrote:
>>>>>>> hey all what's the current accessibility situation of the rob papen
>>>>>>> product line as specially predator and elbineo synths with the NVDA
>> and
>>>>>>> system access screen readers?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> your help with these questions would be most welcome kind regards
>>>>>>> trahern.
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