[RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

[Indigo]

This is from that same guy, who talks a lot, but really compares details 
on guitars.
I'm sorry he has no clean sound for this Squire Bullet HH, but you can 
still hear the big humbucker sound.
By the way, he's feeding into the Overloud TH2, I think it's called, all 
software amp modeling.
He describes the tone controls on the HH wrong.
It doesn't have a screwy wiring system, actually very simple; each 
pickup has its own entirely separate tone control.
, Of course both tone controls would do the same thing in the middle 
position, since each is controlling its own pickup.
Notice how much stronger an effect the tone controls get than on SSS 
strats, at least on the ones here.
He's out of tune on this one as well., always says he has new strings.
He's right about the stock tuners, they're the really horrible cheapo 
ones with a shell made of stamped metal, and very crude gears.
I took mine apart and crammed a bunch of my secret mixture horrible 
tuner lubricant inside, so now all but 1 are smooth enough.
I'll replace them with some good ones later, but never Schallers again.
Installing Schallers was a nightmare, with their mounting system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYnSSrAHYoQ


On 9/17/2013 6:20 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
> don't worry I found the clip I think...the one where he compares the
> fifties with the sixties strat, and the john mayor strat?
> all three dreadfully out of tune lol.
> I found the fifties strat had more chime, a smoother low end presence
> and was just nicer sounding...given the recording and amp conditions.
> the sixties strat definitely had more mid punch and a bit more bite, and
> did the hendrix stuff quite well.
>
> of course all my local stores are out of stock on the squier HH, and out
> of stock on the 60's strat too...
>
> the john mayor signature strat was smoother and more articulate, without
> some of the clang and rasp associated with cheaper pickups.  but, for
> $350, both the classic vibe strats were more than acceptible to my ears.
> A simple pick up change to something more suited to the player and style
> of music while still maintaining the strat vibe still puts you ahead of
> the cost of a mexican made standard strat.
>
> BTW, both the custom, and '50's tellies are routed for a humbucker at
> the neck position.
> That's because one of the models, the thin line maybe? has a humbucker
> at the neck...it sounds horrible though with the stock pickup.
>
> regards
> Colin
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>
>> Hey, I got the right guitar, a Classic Vibes Telley, but the wrong
>> YouTube, which would have been comparing the Strat 50's and 60's; and
>> not the Telecaster.
>> Anyway, it's a great sounding guitar in this video, isn't it?
>>
>> On 9/17/2013 4:49 PM, Indigo wrote:
>>> I think this is the link to the YouTube of both the 50''s and 60's
>>> classic Vibes compared, in the same YouTube by the same player, feeding
>>> them both into the same effects and amp model.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNaxOo9SNgo
>>>
>>> The 50's has Alnico 3 magnets, and the 60's has the more powerful Alnico
>>> 5 magnets, plus the 60's pickups are slightly overwound, just as Fender
>>> originally made them sometime in the 1960's, 1967 I think it was.
>>> What's to say, I absolutely love the soft sweetness of the 50's pickups,
>>> especially in blues, but the slightly nasty snarl of the 60's pickups is
>>> also compelling, so I gotta get both eventually.
>>> At $20 for the 50's neck pickup, $18 for the middle and bridge, how can
>>> I not hoard them?
>>> I'm gonna write to the dealer and try to get a even more bargain deal on
>>> a complete set of both.
>>> A few years down the road they'll be worth much more, plus quality will
>>> probably have deteriorated by then
>>> There's a Strat forum that discovered that the factory in China that
>>> winds them also winds the exact same pickups and markets them with
>>> ToneRider labels on them for $100 each.
>>> The Strat forum guys got both the Fender Classic Vibes and the
>>> ToneRiders and took them apart, measured their number of windings,
>>> impedance, voltage output, every detail; and report that even the parts
>>> numbers are the same, with only a different letter prefix.
>>> Hey, try a Squire HH when you go to get the Classic Vibes Telley.
>>> As a Fender guy, haven't you always harbored a secret envy of that huge
>>> humbucker sound of Gibsons?
>>> I always did. smile.
>>> The other night I had it on the bridge pickup, with its Texas
>>> twangyness, and got into countryish sounds with it, a totally foreign
>>> thing for me.
>>> I don't even own a John B Stetson ten gallon hat!
>>> Nothing will replace the Strat single poles, but I never thought I could
>>> get such a great humbucker sound from Fender, for only $99, on sale from
>>> Musician's Friend.
>>> When you lift up the pickguard you see there's a place routed out in the
>>> middle for a single pole pickup, if you want to add one.
>>> You'd need to add a switch for it, though, and I think I'll just leave
>>> the HH as it is, and do my experimentation on the mid-nineties Squire
>>> PartsCaster.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2013 2:09 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>> the classic vibe '50's has the pine body. the classic vibe custom
>>>> has an
>>>> alder body I think...
>>>> I expect I'll have to go get the original guitar I wanted, being the
>>>> classic vibe '50's telly...I like the custom, but the pine body, maple
>>>> neck etc just screams that telly sound to me.
>>>> the custom is warmer and a bit rounder sounding if you will. but still
>>>> plenty of telly twang and bite.
>>>> More of a modern telecaster sound.
>>>>
>>>> It's not just the woods in an electric, but the combination of woods
>>>> and
>>>> hardware and pickups and design that all work together to make an
>>>> electric sound like it does.
>>>> Though a swamp ash strat, will sound quite different than a basswood
>>>> strat with exactly the same pickups and hardware etc.  Often it's a
>>>> diffference in attack, release, sustain,  peak frequency of each string
>>>> etc.
>>>> And I can tell you right now, a maple fingerboard sounds utterly
>>>> different than a rosewood fingerboard on an electric.
>>>> probably not allot of tonal difference between say alder and
>>>> basswood...many woods are highly similar as you know.
>>>> wood is often a very subtle thing in a guitar, but it does make enough
>>>> difference from instrument to instrument to make them individuals.
>>>>
>>>> Did you recommend the classic vibe 50's strat, or the 60's strat?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> Regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:51 AM
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I think it's okay to talk guitars here, since guitars have midi
>>>>> too. ha ha, and I record my guitar in Reaper.
>>>>> I think that Classic Vibes Telly  has the pine body, yes?
>>>>> Pine is probably great for a guitar body.
>>>>> You know basswood is what they use for most of the Squires, and it's
>>>>> not as respected as White Ash, mahogany or some of the other woods,
>>>>> but I worked with basswood when I was into model airplanes as a kid,
>>>>> and it's the wood of the really noble Linden tree; that grows a
>>>>> hundred feet tall before it gets many branches, so its wood is
>>>>> absolutely straight grained and tight, soft enough to work easily, but
>>>>> hard enough to take a great finish, actually ideal for electric guitar
>>>>> bodies.
>>>>> Sometimes the oriental-made Fenders cheaton the actual wood used in
>>>>> the necks.
>>>>> I have two made in Indonesia Squires; that have real rock maple necks;
>>>>> as hard and dense as wood gets; and a Made in China Squire from the
>>>>> mid nineties that had the excessively fat baseball bat neck, which I
>>>>> slimmed down, and it's an OK wood, but it's definitely not maple.
>>>>> Same with the Korean pseudo-strat, its neck is also some oriental wood
>>>>> that looks the same color as maple,; my wife says; but I know how
>>>>> maple works, and how it smells when you're cutting it.
>>>>> My wife and I lived in upper New York state for a while, with maple
>>>>> trees all around, I drilled holes in the Sugar Maples and made maple
>>>>> syrup, so I know maple.
>>>>> Maple was a common furniture wood in America for centuries, and I have
>>>>> maple furniture parts around here.
>>>>> When I get through with some current experiments, I'm going to build a
>>>>> sort of chapman stick thing, and I'll probably use some old furniture
>>>>> maple for its body.
>>>>> I already cut down the body from the Korean pseudo-strat to make a
>>>>> chapman stick thing and got sick from the poisonous wood and glue in
>>>>> its body.
>>>>> I think it was Black Ash, or some variant, which I was really allergic
>>>>> to as a kid.
>>>>> Actually, I'm not buying the mythology of how much difference the
>>>>> species of wood makes to the sound of an electric guitar.
>>>>> Some of the Dan Electros of the sixties and earlier weren't even wood,
>>>>> but that paper pressed board, about 3/eighths inch thick, with a
>>>>> minimal frame inside of 1 inch square Douglas Fir wood, and a big
>>>>> rubber bumper all around the outside edge, so you could knock it
>>>>> around all you pleased  and it'd never show a scar.
>>>>> Those Dan Electros bring big prices from the collectors.
>>>>> The Dan Electros were totally shielded against hum inside, so they
>>>>> weren't affected by flourescent lights or amps nearby, which helped
>>>>> their sound more than any fancy wood would ever have done.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2013 6:19 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> yep, the clasic vibe '50's telly was my first choice, but all the
>>>>>> local
>>>>>> stores were sold out, and I won't buy a guitar without playing it
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>> The classic vibe custom telly was a real close second, and I actually
>>>>>> liked it a bit more with the rosewood fingerboard...I know, I know,
>>>>>> tellies should be maple, but just the combinations of woods makes
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> one sound incredibly telly like.
>>>>>> anyway, this isn't the blind guitarist list hahaha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:55 PM
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I heard YouTube demos of the Classic Vibe 50's and 60's, I
>>>>>>> said I
>>>>>>> gotta have those pickups, which are classic alnico III or alnico 5's
>>>>>>> staggered single poles; and copied exactly from the ones Strats
>>>>>>> had in
>>>>>>> the fifties or sixties, only with vinyl insulated wires instead of
>>>>>>> cloth covered.
>>>>>>> I bought the Classic Vibes fifties neck position pickup new, genuine
>>>>>>> Fender part with serial number, for $20 on ebay
>>>>>>> It's sitting in the neck position on my Squire Mini right now, and
>>>>>>> sounds great.
>>>>>>> I'm going to order the others later, the middle and bridge of the
>>>>>>> Classic Vibes fifties and sixties; too good to miss for such low
>>>>>>> prices, and the next thing you know they won't be available any
>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>> They're not over Wound or hot, just soft and sweet!
>>>>>>> I really don't get why alnico should sound so good, magnets are
>>>>>>> magnets, and I can't believe the material could put out a different
>>>>>>> sort of magnetism, but the alnicos sure do sound sweeter.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, I think the Squire HH humbuckers are ceramic, and
>>>>>>> it's so easy to get a classic fat Gibson sound from them.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 5:32 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>> squier's have gotten really good again.  I've got the classic vibe
>>>>>>>> custom telecaster and it's a very very good guitar in all aspects.
>>>>>>>> Putting seymour duncan vintage 54's on it soon because that is my
>>>>>>>> preference not because the stock pickups are bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll try out the squier HH next time i'm in the guitar shop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:16 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read that Gibson is sneaking partial printed circuit boards into
>>>>>>>>> their guitars.
>>>>>>>>> Strats and Squires are still hand-wired circuits, though parts
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> the China 5 way switch looks like something you'd find on a
>>>>>>>>> printed
>>>>>>>>> circuit board.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes it's just luck.
>>>>>>>>> I just got the Squire HH, with two Fender-made humbuckers, and a 3
>>>>>>>>> position switch.
>>>>>>>>> Man does it sound like a big fat Les Paul Gibson, and not much
>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>> Strat, but what a winner for $99.95.
>>>>>>>>> Made in Indonesia, with a perfect neck, perfect intonation, low
>>>>>>>>> lying
>>>>>>>>> action, nothing I need to do with setup to make it better.
>>>>>>>>> I believe the body cavity is even painted with conductive
>>>>>>>>> shielding
>>>>>>>>> paint, because there's a grounding wire screwed into the wood
>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>> bottom of the cavity.
>>>>>>>>> It's dead quiet, no hum at all, even before I got the Zoom G2.1U
>>>>>>>>> grounded.
>>>>>>>>> I'll replace the stock tuners sometime, probably get better
>>>>>>>>> saddles,
>>>>>>>>> probably a steel trem block instead of the potMetal one, but those
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> just niceties, not essentials.
>>>>>>>>> Some people report crooked necks, setup all wrong, crooked screws.
>>>>>>>>> The first Peavey Power Slide I got; Handcrafted in China, had no
>>>>>>>>> springs on the pickup, so if you tilted the guitar the pickup fell
>>>>>>>>> toward the strings, then when you tilted the guitar  the other way
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> pickup fell to the bottom of the body cavity.
>>>>>>>>> Whoever strung it up had sharp kinks in the middle of most of the
>>>>>>>>> strings.
>>>>>>>>> I could have found springs for the pickup somewhere, but I called
>>>>>>>>> Peavey and they said to send it back, not to fix it.
>>>>>>>>> The next one was totally perfect, no flaws I can find.
>>>>>>>>> I guess the factory terminated the worker who made the first
>>>>>>>>> one and
>>>>>>>>> recycled him.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 3:34 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> yep, that's how they're making them and have been for quite some
>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>> if you read any amp forum, especially fender amp forums, one
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> first recommended mods is to install a proper input jack on the
>>>>>>>>>> amp...one that has lots of metal in it, and that you can hard
>>>>>>>>>> wire to
>>>>>>>>>> the PCB instead of the stock plastic version that has pcb lugs
>>>>>>>>>> soldered
>>>>>>>>>> directly to the board.
>>>>>>>>>> Input or output jack nuts are constantly coming loose with
>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>> use,
>>>>>>>>>> and so once that nut has loosened off a bit, all the strain from
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> patch cable is put onto the solder lugs of the jack, and thus
>>>>>>>>>> onto the
>>>>>>>>>> pcb itself. This either snaps off lugs, breaks solder joints, or,
>>>>>>>>>> cracks
>>>>>>>>>> traces on the board...stupid design, but a buck cheaper for the
>>>>>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>>> that's why I always run my cable through the handle on the amp
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> strain relief.
>>>>>>>>>> I've got an older dunlop crybaby wah which is supposed to be high
>>>>>>>>>> quality construction.  I opened up to fix, and both jacks are
>>>>>>>>>> plastic
>>>>>>>>>> housed and have spring pins for the ground contact on the sleve
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> quarter inch plug...what happens with spring contacts?  they
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> bend, or loose their spring over time and fail to make contact.
>>>>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>>>> why the pedal isn't working right now? lol  and the worst part
>>>>>>>>>> is, the
>>>>>>>>>> way they designed the pedal, you have to use these specific jacks
>>>>>>>>>> because of their housing and how the shell of the pedal is built.
>>>>>>>>>> the common quarter inch phone jack is a very old design and the
>>>>>>>>>> industry
>>>>>>>>>> and consumers I guess, are still willing to put up with the
>>>>>>>>>> inherent
>>>>>>>>>> problems associated with those kinds of connections.
>>>>>>>>>> not only are you depending on a compression spring contact,
>>>>>>>>>> but it
>>>>>>>>>> moves
>>>>>>>>>> and twists all the time.  neutric, speak on, even xlr is far
>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>> and don't even get me started on gold plating lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You know, something bothers me about what you say about
>>>>>>>>>>> inputs and
>>>>>>>>>>> outputs having plastic threads.
>>>>>>>>>>> For a jack to work you need at least two conduction points, 1
>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>> sleeve of the plug and another 1 for its tip.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say that China is making all plastic jacks, with
>>>>>>>>>>> only a
>>>>>>>>>>> tinfoil thick metal liner inside the plastic shell?
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh Lord, what next; are they going to make our gear entirely
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>>>>>> flour noodles?
>>>>>>>>>>> The China pickguard I just bought has a 5 way toggle switch that
>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>> about the same from the topside as the classic Fender switch,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> underneath the pickguard you find the switch is only a little
>>>>>>>>>>> rectangle made of fiberboard, with tiny solder lugs and switch
>>>>>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>>>>>> points riveted to the fiberboard.
>>>>>>>>>>> I was replacing the neck pickup, and placed the tip of the
>>>>>>>>>>> soldering
>>>>>>>>>>> gun against the corner lug, with light pressure, and suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>> the lug
>>>>>>>>>>> and a chunk of the fiberboard split off.
>>>>>>>>>>> So great to watch how it all is getting flimsier and flimsier;
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>> Luckily I have a classic-era  Fender 5 way switch to replace it
>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>> an all metal thing with big sturdy solder lugs and switch
>>>>>>>>>>> contacts
>>>>>>>>>>> inside it.
>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, if you're an experimenter, you can make an auditory
>>>>>>>>>>> conductivity meter from a small battery holder, preferably a
>>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>> triple A battery, wired in series with any old single headphone
>>>>>>>>>>> salvaged from a pair of stereo headphones that quit working
>>>>>>>>>>> on one
>>>>>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>>>>> You end up with 2 wires.
>>>>>>>>>>> If there is conduction between any 2 lugs you touch with those 2
>>>>>>>>>>> wires; you hear a nice loud click in the headphone.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can use a battery that's too weak to run any gear, and it'll
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of voltage to make the headphone click for months and
>>>>>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:00 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> you got lucky, many pedals and multi-effects units these days
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> plastic shell input/output jacks.  Which means that though they
>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a metal nut on the outside, it's holding a plastic housing
>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> jack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> IE, no ground path through the retention nut.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You often have to go inside and solder or secure a lug to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> metal
>>>>>>>>>>>> plate that generally resides on the bottom of these units to
>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even the hallowed boss pedals use a big old plate on the bottom
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal to give it some weight and make people think it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> higher
>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit because it's heavier...it's also done to help keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> sliding around all over the place.
>>>>>>>>>>>> you also got lucky because putting an additional wire from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other equipment in your signal path can often create ground
>>>>>>>>>>>> loops
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> causes a bigger problem than before.
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't forget, your patch cables do all the grounding for you at
>>>>>>>>>>>> least on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the audio signal path side.
>>>>>>>>>>>> wall warts have no ground to speak of beyond the obvious one at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ground side of the 2 prong plug into the wall.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you were actually experiencing was a high level of AC
>>>>>>>>>>>> floating on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the DC coming from the wallwart to your pedal.  wallwarts are
>>>>>>>>>>>> seldom
>>>>>>>>>>>> properly rectified, so they have allot of AC bleeding through
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the hum you hear.
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is why allot of pro audio gear uses AC to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>>> care of the rectification and filtering inside the unit itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you've essentially done is allowed for some
>>>>>>>>>>>> rectification on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the dc
>>>>>>>>>>>> and you are bleeding the ac off into a large ground source, IE
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rack...the rack probably has something in it that has excellent
>>>>>>>>>>>> rectification and a good solid ground source to bleed
>>>>>>>>>>>> additional AC
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the circuit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, regardless, sounds like it worked.
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone who runs 9VDC equipment in the studio should have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>>>> supply to help minimize hum and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not too skilled on either, but I'd rather play midi files
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard than from a guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only want midi pads to make guitar tracks more lush; and do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only synths can do in the background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday I put a ground wire on my Zoom G2.1U, did a neat job
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> solder lug under the nut on the pedal jack in back' with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up to the steel and aluminum rack; where all the gear resides,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to have soaked up all the stray RF fields in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> room; so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hum
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The little 9 volt wall wart transformer for the Zoom pedal was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> internally well grounded, so that I would hear hum and buzz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very high gain overdrive settings, but could touch the metal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cover of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cable's plug; or touch the metal foot switches on the Zoom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hum and buzz would go away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing what a good ground our body provides!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine how many different RF frequencies are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buzzing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through my body right now, and I don't even feel them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now that it's properly grounded; the Zoom is good enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-effects unit and preamp for the guitar, then I got the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of Roger Linn's Adrenalinn to run in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrenalinn does pretty things to guitar notes and chords, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delays
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that go through 32 step arpeggios that are way more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usual keyboard arpeggios.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You aren't intended to play fast lines; instead you just play
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slowly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and provide room  for Adrenalinn to do its arpeggios and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modulations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, if I can get a software pitch-to-midi plug to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lush
>>>>>>>>>>>>> midi pads, behind the guitar; the tracks will be filled with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I want a quick passage on a midi synth, I'd be inclined to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach for a keyboard and play it there; so tracking from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be fast, and doesn't even need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> polyphonic;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does need to be accurate to trigger midi pads in the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>> key.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the software pitch-to-midi plugs I've collected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option to restrict the midi output to a fixed scale, so it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoretically impossible to get notes that glitch out of key.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just got to find time to test out the various
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pitch-to-midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IntelliScore has been around for ages, used to transcribe a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> polyphonic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio track for printing out the score, but also outputs midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a couple more similar composing and scoring plugs, all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to limit the scale of the midi they output.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waves Tune, Antares Autotune; all track audio notes much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> told in advance what the intended scale is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pitch to midi plugs don't need a special pickup in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost about $59 USD to $89 USD, nothing compared to the Roland
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR55.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:35 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't mind it for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and delays personally, but the distortions left me still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cold. THe new BOSS DA2 TE2 and MO2 may be up indie's alley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collin is the other guitarist in your band blind?  The thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control software
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libraian editor, the control software for the VG 88 seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough as i installed it to take aloof at it, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this without connecting a VG88. Things that worry me about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing the initial set up where you calibrated it for each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> string.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't know if that would be accessible. Also installing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GK3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup. even without the permanent install, how easy was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to pick up all strings evenly? I read some horror stories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced techs won't install the things anymore cuz they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never the the two highest strings to track properly.The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR55 over the VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and already in foot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format. The VG88 however has two signal paths for the guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , where as the GR55 focus more on the synth sounds and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path for the guitar modeling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland gear, plenty fat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not just looking for the usual electric guitar sound,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more interested in unusual stringed instrument sounds;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight electric guitar and midi synth sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Synths can supposedly make any sound, but there is so much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds from within there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have Guitar Rig and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those modeling plugs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's folders, so that Alchemy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantasy stringed instruments from them, but you know;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen, hammer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting sounds from them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to feed electric guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5, which has an audio input.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's arpeggiators, filters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another VST where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get hold of  not just parameters, but graphical screen icons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let you navigate to features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and AutoMap; I get  all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatable parameters from VST plugs, so all I need to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8 buttons on the Nocturn box, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly change, but that's only part of real access to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get at menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide scripts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I just content myself with partial access, twist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nocturn's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I can't get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To my ears the boss stuff always sounded too digital.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has alternate tuning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland GR55 may be closer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Adrenalinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GT100, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it did seem that it should be accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys, and you just move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen to the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't explain it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewer thought it is super easy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to computer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auxiliary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    out and in so you can add sounds from an external
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype chat?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been very interested in the Roland  GR55/VG88 stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know  more about what you know about the stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, for around the same price as the roger linn, go with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roland/boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the harmonizer stuff in it along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonne of amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to choose from.  again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool for guitarists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike placement options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on board.  Yes, you do have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gk-3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a no brainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excersize...it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously powerful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around that 400 dollar range, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or gt100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with everything the roger linn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of drum options though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might not be quite what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than anything.  but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass, midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through it, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3 demo from JamShop, Sweden, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with modulation effects, and below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound examples--hits and demos--of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios in the presets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is as much synthesizer as guitar processor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end of all it can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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