[RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

Tue Sep 17 16:58:13 EDT 2013

Hey, I got the right guitar, a Classic Vibes Telley, but the wrong 
YouTube, which would have been comparing the Strat 50's and 60's; and 
not the Telecaster.
Anyway, it's a great sounding guitar in this video, isn't it?

On 9/17/2013 4:49 PM, Indigo wrote:
> I think this is the link to the YouTube of both the 50''s and 60's
> classic Vibes compared, in the same YouTube by the same player, feeding
> them both into the same effects and amp model.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNaxOo9SNgo
>
> The 50's has Alnico 3 magnets, and the 60's has the more powerful Alnico
> 5 magnets, plus the 60's pickups are slightly overwound, just as Fender
> originally made them sometime in the 1960's, 1967 I think it was.
> What's to say, I absolutely love the soft sweetness of the 50's pickups,
> especially in blues, but the slightly nasty snarl of the 60's pickups is
> also compelling, so I gotta get both eventually.
> At $20 for the 50's neck pickup, $18 for the middle and bridge, how can
> I not hoard them?
> I'm gonna write to the dealer and try to get a even more bargain deal on
> a complete set of both.
> A few years down the road they'll be worth much more, plus quality will
> probably have deteriorated by then
> There's a Strat forum that discovered that the factory in China that
> winds them also winds the exact same pickups and markets them with
> ToneRider labels on them for $100 each.
> The Strat forum guys got both the Fender Classic Vibes and the
> ToneRiders and took them apart, measured their number of windings,
> impedance, voltage output, every detail; and report that even the parts
> numbers are the same, with only a different letter prefix.
> Hey, try a Squire HH when you go to get the Classic Vibes Telley.
> As a Fender guy, haven't you always harbored a secret envy of that huge
> humbucker sound of Gibsons?
> I always did. smile.
> The other night I had it on the bridge pickup, with its Texas
> twangyness, and got into countryish sounds with it, a totally foreign
> thing for me.
> I don't even own a John B Stetson ten gallon hat!
> Nothing will replace the Strat single poles, but I never thought I could
> get such a great humbucker sound from Fender, for only $99, on sale from
> Musician's Friend.
> When you lift up the pickguard you see there's a place routed out in the
> middle for a single pole pickup, if you want to add one.
> You'd need to add a switch for it, though, and I think I'll just leave
> the HH as it is, and do my experimentation on the mid-nineties Squire
> PartsCaster.
> Indi
>
>
>
> Indi
>
>
> On 9/17/2013 2:09 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>> the classic vibe '50's has the pine body. the classic vibe custom has an
>> alder body I think...
>> I expect I'll have to go get the original guitar I wanted, being the
>> classic vibe '50's telly...I like the custom, but the pine body, maple
>> neck etc just screams that telly sound to me.
>> the custom is warmer and a bit rounder sounding if you will. but still
>> plenty of telly twang and bite.
>> More of a modern telecaster sound.
>>
>> It's not just the woods in an electric, but the combination of woods and
>> hardware and pickups and design that all work together to make an
>> electric sound like it does.
>> Though a swamp ash strat, will sound quite different than a basswood
>> strat with exactly the same pickups and hardware etc.  Often it's a
>> diffference in attack, release, sustain,  peak frequency of each string
>> etc.
>> And I can tell you right now, a maple fingerboard sounds utterly
>> different than a rosewood fingerboard on an electric.
>> probably not allot of tonal difference between say alder and
>> basswood...many woods are highly similar as you know.
>> wood is often a very subtle thing in a guitar, but it does make enough
>> difference from instrument to instrument to make them individuals.
>>
>> Did you recommend the classic vibe 50's strat, or the 60's strat?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Colin
>> Regards
>> Colin
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:51 AM
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>
>>> Well, I think it's okay to talk guitars here, since guitars have midi
>>> too. ha ha, and I record my guitar in Reaper.
>>> I think that Classic Vibes Telly  has the pine body, yes?
>>> Pine is probably great for a guitar body.
>>> You know basswood is what they use for most of the Squires, and it's
>>> not as respected as White Ash, mahogany or some of the other woods,
>>> but I worked with basswood when I was into model airplanes as a kid,
>>> and it's the wood of the really noble Linden tree; that grows a
>>> hundred feet tall before it gets many branches, so its wood is
>>> absolutely straight grained and tight, soft enough to work easily, but
>>> hard enough to take a great finish, actually ideal for electric guitar
>>> bodies.
>>> Sometimes the oriental-made Fenders cheaton the actual wood used in
>>> the necks.
>>> I have two made in Indonesia Squires; that have real rock maple necks;
>>> as hard and dense as wood gets; and a Made in China Squire from the
>>> mid nineties that had the excessively fat baseball bat neck, which I
>>> slimmed down, and it's an OK wood, but it's definitely not maple.
>>> Same with the Korean pseudo-strat, its neck is also some oriental wood
>>> that looks the same color as maple,; my wife says; but I know how
>>> maple works, and how it smells when you're cutting it.
>>> My wife and I lived in upper New York state for a while, with maple
>>> trees all around, I drilled holes in the Sugar Maples and made maple
>>> syrup, so I know maple.
>>> Maple was a common furniture wood in America for centuries, and I have
>>> maple furniture parts around here.
>>> When I get through with some current experiments, I'm going to build a
>>> sort of chapman stick thing, and I'll probably use some old furniture
>>> maple for its body.
>>> I already cut down the body from the Korean pseudo-strat to make a
>>> chapman stick thing and got sick from the poisonous wood and glue in
>>> its body.
>>> I think it was Black Ash, or some variant, which I was really allergic
>>> to as a kid.
>>> Actually, I'm not buying the mythology of how much difference the
>>> species of wood makes to the sound of an electric guitar.
>>> Some of the Dan Electros of the sixties and earlier weren't even wood,
>>> but that paper pressed board, about 3/eighths inch thick, with a
>>> minimal frame inside of 1 inch square Douglas Fir wood, and a big
>>> rubber bumper all around the outside edge, so you could knock it
>>> around all you pleased  and it'd never show a scar.
>>> Those Dan Electros bring big prices from the collectors.
>>> The Dan Electros were totally shielded against hum inside, so they
>>> weren't affected by flourescent lights or amps nearby, which helped
>>> their sound more than any fancy wood would ever have done.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/2013 6:19 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>> yep, the clasic vibe '50's telly was my first choice, but all the local
>>>> stores were sold out, and I won't buy a guitar without playing it
>>>> first.
>>>> The classic vibe custom telly was a real close second, and I actually
>>>> liked it a bit more with the rosewood fingerboard...I know, I know,
>>>> tellies should be maple, but just the combinations of woods makes this
>>>> one sound incredibly telly like.
>>>> anyway, this isn't the blind guitarist list hahaha.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:55 PM
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>
>>>>> When I heard YouTube demos of the Classic Vibe 50's and 60's, I said I
>>>>> gotta have those pickups, which are classic alnico III or alnico 5's
>>>>> staggered single poles; and copied exactly from the ones Strats had in
>>>>> the fifties or sixties, only with vinyl insulated wires instead of
>>>>> cloth covered.
>>>>> I bought the Classic Vibes fifties neck position pickup new, genuine
>>>>> Fender part with serial number, for $20 on ebay
>>>>> It's sitting in the neck position on my Squire Mini right now, and
>>>>> sounds great.
>>>>> I'm going to order the others later, the middle and bridge of the
>>>>> Classic Vibes fifties and sixties; too good to miss for such low
>>>>> prices, and the next thing you know they won't be available any more.
>>>>> They're not over Wound or hot, just soft and sweet!
>>>>> I really don't get why alnico should sound so good, magnets are
>>>>> magnets, and I can't believe the material could put out a different
>>>>> sort of magnetism, but the alnicos sure do sound sweeter.
>>>>> On the other hand, I think the Squire HH humbuckers are ceramic, and
>>>>> it's so easy to get a classic fat Gibson sound from them.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2013 5:32 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> squier's have gotten really good again.  I've got the classic vibe
>>>>>> custom telecaster and it's a very very good guitar in all aspects.
>>>>>> Putting seymour duncan vintage 54's on it soon because that is my
>>>>>> preference not because the stock pickups are bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll try out the squier HH next time i'm in the guitar shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:16 PM
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read that Gibson is sneaking partial printed circuit boards into
>>>>>>> their guitars.
>>>>>>> Strats and Squires are still hand-wired circuits, though parts like
>>>>>>> the China 5 way switch looks like something you'd find on a printed
>>>>>>> circuit board.
>>>>>>> Sometimes it's just luck.
>>>>>>> I just got the Squire HH, with two Fender-made humbuckers, and a 3
>>>>>>> position switch.
>>>>>>> Man does it sound like a big fat Les Paul Gibson, and not much
>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>> Strat, but what a winner for $99.95.
>>>>>>> Made in Indonesia, with a perfect neck, perfect intonation, low
>>>>>>> lying
>>>>>>> action, nothing I need to do with setup to make it better.
>>>>>>> I believe the body cavity is even painted with conductive shielding
>>>>>>> paint, because there's a grounding wire screwed into the wood at the
>>>>>>> bottom of the cavity.
>>>>>>> It's dead quiet, no hum at all, even before I got the Zoom G2.1U
>>>>>>> grounded.
>>>>>>> I'll replace the stock tuners sometime, probably get better saddles,
>>>>>>> probably a steel trem block instead of the potMetal one, but those
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> just niceties, not essentials.
>>>>>>> Some people report crooked necks, setup all wrong, crooked screws.
>>>>>>> The first Peavey Power Slide I got; Handcrafted in China, had no
>>>>>>> springs on the pickup, so if you tilted the guitar the pickup fell
>>>>>>> toward the strings, then when you tilted the guitar  the other way
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> pickup fell to the bottom of the body cavity.
>>>>>>> Whoever strung it up had sharp kinks in the middle of most of the
>>>>>>> strings.
>>>>>>> I could have found springs for the pickup somewhere, but I called
>>>>>>> Peavey and they said to send it back, not to fix it.
>>>>>>> The next one was totally perfect, no flaws I can find.
>>>>>>> I guess the factory terminated the worker who made the first one and
>>>>>>> recycled him.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 3:34 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>> yep, that's how they're making them and have been for quite some
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>> if you read any amp forum, especially fender amp forums, one of the
>>>>>>>> first recommended mods is to install a proper input jack on the
>>>>>>>> amp...one that has lots of metal in it, and that you can hard
>>>>>>>> wire to
>>>>>>>> the PCB instead of the stock plastic version that has pcb lugs
>>>>>>>> soldered
>>>>>>>> directly to the board.
>>>>>>>> Input or output jack nuts are constantly coming loose with regular
>>>>>>>> use,
>>>>>>>> and so once that nut has loosened off a bit, all the strain from
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> patch cable is put onto the solder lugs of the jack, and thus
>>>>>>>> onto the
>>>>>>>> pcb itself. This either snaps off lugs, breaks solder joints, or,
>>>>>>>> cracks
>>>>>>>> traces on the board...stupid design, but a buck cheaper for the
>>>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>>>> that's why I always run my cable through the handle on the amp for
>>>>>>>> strain relief.
>>>>>>>> I've got an older dunlop crybaby wah which is supposed to be high
>>>>>>>> quality construction.  I opened up to fix, and both jacks are
>>>>>>>> plastic
>>>>>>>> housed and have spring pins for the ground contact on the sleve
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> quarter inch plug...what happens with spring contacts?  they either
>>>>>>>> bend, or loose their spring over time and fail to make contact.
>>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>> why the pedal isn't working right now? lol  and the worst part
>>>>>>>> is, the
>>>>>>>> way they designed the pedal, you have to use these specific jacks
>>>>>>>> because of their housing and how the shell of the pedal is built.
>>>>>>>> the common quarter inch phone jack is a very old design and the
>>>>>>>> industry
>>>>>>>> and consumers I guess, are still willing to put up with the
>>>>>>>> inherent
>>>>>>>> problems associated with those kinds of connections.
>>>>>>>> not only are you depending on a compression spring contact, but it
>>>>>>>> moves
>>>>>>>> and twists all the time.  neutric, speak on, even xlr is far
>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>> and don't even get me started on gold plating lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:45 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You know, something bothers me about what you say about inputs and
>>>>>>>>> outputs having plastic threads.
>>>>>>>>> For a jack to work you need at least two conduction points, 1
>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>> sleeve of the plug and another 1 for its tip.
>>>>>>>>> Please don't say that China is making all plastic jacks, with
>>>>>>>>> only a
>>>>>>>>> tinfoil thick metal liner inside the plastic shell?
>>>>>>>>> Oh Lord, what next; are they going to make our gear entirely from
>>>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>>>> flour noodles?
>>>>>>>>> The China pickguard I just bought has a 5 way toggle switch that
>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>> about the same from the topside as the classic Fender switch, but
>>>>>>>>> underneath the pickguard you find the switch is only a little
>>>>>>>>> rectangle made of fiberboard, with tiny solder lugs and switch
>>>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>>>> points riveted to the fiberboard.
>>>>>>>>> I was replacing the neck pickup, and placed the tip of the
>>>>>>>>> soldering
>>>>>>>>> gun against the corner lug, with light pressure, and suddenly
>>>>>>>>> the lug
>>>>>>>>> and a chunk of the fiberboard split off.
>>>>>>>>> So great to watch how it all is getting flimsier and flimsier;
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>> Luckily I have a classic-era  Fender 5 way switch to replace it
>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>> an all metal thing with big sturdy solder lugs and switch contacts
>>>>>>>>> inside it.
>>>>>>>>> By the way, if you're an experimenter, you can make an auditory
>>>>>>>>> conductivity meter from a small battery holder, preferably a
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>> triple A battery, wired in series with any old single headphone
>>>>>>>>> salvaged from a pair of stereo headphones that quit working on one
>>>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>>> You end up with 2 wires.
>>>>>>>>> If there is conduction between any 2 lugs you touch with those 2
>>>>>>>>> wires; you hear a nice loud click in the headphone.
>>>>>>>>> You can use a battery that's too weak to run any gear, and it'll
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> plenty of voltage to make the headphone click for months and
>>>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:00 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> you got lucky, many pedals and multi-effects units these days
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> plastic shell input/output jacks.  Which means that though they
>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> a metal nut on the outside, it's holding a plastic housing around
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> jack.
>>>>>>>>>> IE, no ground path through the retention nut.
>>>>>>>>>> You often have to go inside and solder or secure a lug to the
>>>>>>>>>> metal
>>>>>>>>>> plate that generally resides on the bottom of these units to give
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> weight.
>>>>>>>>>> Even the hallowed boss pedals use a big old plate on the bottom
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> pedal to give it some weight and make people think it's a higher
>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>> unit because it's heavier...it's also done to help keep the pedal
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> sliding around all over the place.
>>>>>>>>>> you also got lucky because putting an additional wire from a unit
>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>> other equipment in your signal path can often create ground loops
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> causes a bigger problem than before.
>>>>>>>>>> don't forget, your patch cables do all the grounding for you at
>>>>>>>>>> least on
>>>>>>>>>> the audio signal path side.
>>>>>>>>>> wall warts have no ground to speak of beyond the obvious one at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ground side of the 2 prong plug into the wall.
>>>>>>>>>> What you were actually experiencing was a high level of AC
>>>>>>>>>> floating on
>>>>>>>>>> the DC coming from the wallwart to your pedal.  wallwarts are
>>>>>>>>>> seldom
>>>>>>>>>> properly rectified, so they have allot of AC bleeding through
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> causes the hum you hear.
>>>>>>>>>> that is why allot of pro audio gear uses AC to the equipment, and
>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>> care of the rectification and filtering inside the unit itself.
>>>>>>>>>> what you've essentially done is allowed for some rectification on
>>>>>>>>>> the dc
>>>>>>>>>> and you are bleeding the ac off into a large ground source, IE
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> rack...the rack probably has something in it that has excellent
>>>>>>>>>> rectification and a good solid ground source to bleed
>>>>>>>>>> additional AC
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> of the circuit.
>>>>>>>>>> anyway, regardless, sounds like it worked.
>>>>>>>>>> anyone who runs 9VDC equipment in the studio should have a proper
>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>> supply to help minimize hum and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not too skilled on either, but I'd rather play midi files
>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard than from a guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>> I only want midi pads to make guitar tracks more lush; and do
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> only synths can do in the background.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday I put a ground wire on my Zoom G2.1U, did a neat job
>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>> solder lug under the nut on the pedal jack in back' with a wire
>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> up to the steel and aluminum rack; where all the gear resides,
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> seems to have soaked up all the stray RF fields in this room; so
>>>>>>>>>>> hum
>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> The little 9 volt wall wart transformer for the Zoom pedal was
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> internally well grounded, so that I would hear hum and buzz
>>>>>>>>>>> when on
>>>>>>>>>>> very high gain overdrive settings, but could touch the metal
>>>>>>>>>>> cover of
>>>>>>>>>>> the cable's plug; or touch the metal foot switches on the Zoom
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> the hum and buzz would go away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing what a good ground our body provides!
>>>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine how many different RF frequencies are buzzing
>>>>>>>>>>> through my body right now, and I don't even feel them.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, now that it's properly grounded; the Zoom is good enough
>>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>> multi-effects unit and preamp for the guitar, then I got the
>>>>>>>>>>> plug
>>>>>>>>>>> version of Roger Linn's Adrenalinn to run in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>> Adrenalinn does pretty things to guitar notes and chords, like
>>>>>>>>>>> delays
>>>>>>>>>>> that go through 32 step arpeggios that are way more
>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> the usual keyboard arpeggios.
>>>>>>>>>>> You aren't intended to play fast lines; instead you just play
>>>>>>>>>>> slowly
>>>>>>>>>>> and provide room  for Adrenalinn to do its arpeggios and filter
>>>>>>>>>>> modulations.
>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, if I can get a software pitch-to-midi plug to
>>>>>>>>>>> bring in
>>>>>>>>>>> lush
>>>>>>>>>>> midi pads, behind the guitar; the tracks will be filled with
>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>> If I want a quick passage on a midi synth, I'd be inclined to
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> reach for a keyboard and play it there; so tracking from the
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be fast, and doesn't even need to be polyphonic;
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> does need to be accurate to trigger midi pads in the right key.
>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the software pitch-to-midi plugs I've collected
>>>>>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>>>>>> option to restrict the midi output to a fixed scale, so it's
>>>>>>>>>>> theoretically impossible to get notes that glitch out of key.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've just got to find time to test out the various pitch-to-midi
>>>>>>>>>>> plugs.
>>>>>>>>>>> IntelliScore has been around for ages, used to transcribe a
>>>>>>>>>>> polyphonic
>>>>>>>>>>> audio track for printing out the score, but also outputs midi.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a couple more similar composing and scoring plugs, all
>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>> you to limit the scale of the midi they output.
>>>>>>>>>>> Waves Tune, Antares Autotune; all track audio notes much
>>>>>>>>>>> better if
>>>>>>>>>>> told in advance what the intended scale is.
>>>>>>>>>>> The pitch to midi plugs don't need a special pickup in the
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> cost about $59 USD to $89 USD, nothing compared to the Roland
>>>>>>>>>>> GR55.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:35 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded very
>>>>>>>>>>>> digital to
>>>>>>>>>>>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't mind it for
>>>>>>>>>>>> modulation
>>>>>>>>>>>> and delays personally, but the distortions left me still
>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>> cold. THe new BOSS DA2 TE2 and MO2 may be up indie's alley
>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Collin is the other guitarist in your band blind?  The thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control software
>>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>>> libraian editor, the control software for the VG 88 seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough as i installed it to take aloof at it, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> i did
>>>>>>>>>>>> this without connecting a VG88. Things that worry me about them
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing the initial set up where you calibrated it for each
>>>>>>>>>>>> string.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't know if that would be accessible. Also installing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GK3
>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup. even without the permanent install, how easy was it to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get it
>>>>>>>>>>>> to pick up all strings evenly? I read some horror stories where
>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced techs won't install the things anymore cuz they
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> never the the two highest strings to track properly.The plus of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GR55 over the VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and already in foot
>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal
>>>>>>>>>>>> format. The VG88 however has two signal paths for the guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>> modeling
>>>>>>>>>>>> , where as the GR55 focus more on the synth sounds and only has
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> path for the guitar modeling.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland gear, plenty fat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not just looking for the usual electric guitar sound,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more interested in unusual stringed instrument sounds;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight electric guitar and midi synth sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Synths can supposedly make any sound, but there is so much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds from within there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have Guitar Rig and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those modeling plugs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's folders, so that Alchemy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> creates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantasy stringed instruments from them, but you know;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen, hammer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting sounds from them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to feed electric guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5, which has an audio input.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's arpeggiators, filters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another VST where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get hold of  not just parameters, but graphical screen icons
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> let you navigate to features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and AutoMap; I get  all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatable parameters from VST plugs, so all I need to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8 buttons on the Nocturn box, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly change, but that's only part of real access to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get at menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's interface and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide scripts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I just content myself with partial access, twist Nocturn's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I can't get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To my ears the boss stuff always sounded too digital.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has alternate tuning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland GR55 may be closer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Adrenalinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating around the Roland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GT100, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it did seem that it should be accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys, and you just move things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen to the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't explain it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewer thought it is super easy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to computer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auxiliary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    out and in so you can add sounds from an external source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype chat?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been very interested in the Roland  GR55/VG88 stuff and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know  more about what you know about the stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, for around the same price as the roger linn, go with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roland/boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the harmonizer stuff in it along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonne of amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to choose from.  again, very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool for guitarists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike placement options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on board.  Yes, you do have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gk-3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a no brainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excersize...it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously powerful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around that 400 dollar range, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or gt100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with everything the roger linn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of drum options though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might not be quite what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than anything.  but there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass, midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through it, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3 demo from JamShop, Sweden, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with modulation effects, and below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound examples--hits and demos--of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios in the presets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is as much synthesizer as guitar processor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end of all it can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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