[RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

Tue Sep 17 14:19:10 EDT 2013

haha if you like them that much, sure.
I do quite love the neck pickup though.
Unfortunately, squier didn't find it necesary to design an appropriate 
mounting system for the neck pickup, so in order to raise it, I had to put 
in a shim, in the form of a piece of hard foam, so that it would stay 
raised...once it was raised up closer to the strings, it turned into a 
mighty fine neck pup.
in the stock position, it was a bit muddy and definitely far quieter than 
the bridge pup.

regards
Colin
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From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:53 AM
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

> Hey, if you want to sell those Classic Vibes pickups to me; when you 
> change them out for the Seymour Duncans, please let me know, okay?
> Indi
>
> On 9/16/2013 6:19 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>> yep, the clasic vibe '50's telly was my first choice, but all the local
>> stores were sold out, and I won't buy a guitar without playing it first.
>> The classic vibe custom telly was a real close second, and I actually
>> liked it a bit more with the rosewood fingerboard...I know, I know,
>> tellies should be maple, but just the combinations of woods makes this
>> one sound incredibly telly like.
>> anyway, this isn't the blind guitarist list hahaha.
>>
>> regards
>> Colin
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:55 PM
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>
>>> When I heard YouTube demos of the Classic Vibe 50's and 60's, I said I
>>> gotta have those pickups, which are classic alnico III or alnico 5's
>>> staggered single poles; and copied exactly from the ones Strats had in
>>> the fifties or sixties, only with vinyl insulated wires instead of
>>> cloth covered.
>>> I bought the Classic Vibes fifties neck position pickup new, genuine
>>> Fender part with serial number, for $20 on ebay
>>> It's sitting in the neck position on my Squire Mini right now, and
>>> sounds great.
>>> I'm going to order the others later, the middle and bridge of the
>>> Classic Vibes fifties and sixties; too good to miss for such low
>>> prices, and the next thing you know they won't be available any more.
>>> They're not over Wound or hot, just soft and sweet!
>>> I really don't get why alnico should sound so good, magnets are
>>> magnets, and I can't believe the material could put out a different
>>> sort of magnetism, but the alnicos sure do sound sweeter.
>>> On the other hand, I think the Squire HH humbuckers are ceramic, and
>>> it's so easy to get a classic fat Gibson sound from them.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/2013 5:32 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>> squier's have gotten really good again.  I've got the classic vibe
>>>> custom telecaster and it's a very very good guitar in all aspects.
>>>> Putting seymour duncan vintage 54's on it soon because that is my
>>>> preference not because the stock pickups are bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try out the squier HH next time i'm in the guitar shop.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:16 PM
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>
>>>>> I read that Gibson is sneaking partial printed circuit boards into
>>>>> their guitars.
>>>>> Strats and Squires are still hand-wired circuits, though parts like
>>>>> the China 5 way switch looks like something you'd find on a printed
>>>>> circuit board.
>>>>> Sometimes it's just luck.
>>>>> I just got the Squire HH, with two Fender-made humbuckers, and a 3
>>>>> position switch.
>>>>> Man does it sound like a big fat Les Paul Gibson, and not much like a
>>>>> Strat, but what a winner for $99.95.
>>>>> Made in Indonesia, with a perfect neck, perfect intonation, low lying
>>>>> action, nothing I need to do with setup to make it better.
>>>>> I believe the body cavity is even painted with conductive shielding
>>>>> paint, because there's a grounding wire screwed into the wood at the
>>>>> bottom of the cavity.
>>>>> It's dead quiet, no hum at all, even before I got the Zoom G2.1U
>>>>> grounded.
>>>>> I'll replace the stock tuners sometime, probably get better saddles,
>>>>> probably a steel trem block instead of the potMetal one, but those are
>>>>> just niceties, not essentials.
>>>>> Some people report crooked necks, setup all wrong, crooked screws.
>>>>> The first Peavey Power Slide I got; Handcrafted in China, had no
>>>>> springs on the pickup, so if you tilted the guitar the pickup fell
>>>>> toward the strings, then when you tilted the guitar  the other way the
>>>>> pickup fell to the bottom of the body cavity.
>>>>> Whoever strung it up had sharp kinks in the middle of most of the
>>>>> strings.
>>>>> I could have found springs for the pickup somewhere, but I called
>>>>> Peavey and they said to send it back, not to fix it.
>>>>> The next one was totally perfect, no flaws I can find.
>>>>> I guess the factory terminated the worker who made the first one and
>>>>> recycled him.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2013 3:34 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> yep, that's how they're making them and have been for quite some 
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> if you read any amp forum, especially fender amp forums, one of the
>>>>>> first recommended mods is to install a proper input jack on the
>>>>>> amp...one that has lots of metal in it, and that you can hard wire to
>>>>>> the PCB instead of the stock plastic version that has pcb lugs
>>>>>> soldered
>>>>>> directly to the board.
>>>>>> Input or output jack nuts are constantly coming loose with regular
>>>>>> use,
>>>>>> and so once that nut has loosened off a bit, all the strain from your
>>>>>> patch cable is put onto the solder lugs of the jack, and thus onto 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pcb itself. This either snaps off lugs, breaks solder joints, or,
>>>>>> cracks
>>>>>> traces on the board...stupid design, but a buck cheaper for the
>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>> that's why I always run my cable through the handle on the amp for
>>>>>> strain relief.
>>>>>> I've got an older dunlop crybaby wah which is supposed to be high
>>>>>> quality construction.  I opened up to fix, and both jacks are plastic
>>>>>> housed and have spring pins for the ground contact on the sleve of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> quarter inch plug...what happens with spring contacts?  they either
>>>>>> bend, or loose their spring over time and fail to make contact. 
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>> why the pedal isn't working right now? lol  and the worst part is, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> way they designed the pedal, you have to use these specific jacks
>>>>>> because of their housing and how the shell of the pedal is built.
>>>>>> the common quarter inch phone jack is a very old design and the
>>>>>> industry
>>>>>> and consumers I guess, are still willing to put up with the inherent
>>>>>> problems associated with those kinds of connections.
>>>>>> not only are you depending on a compression spring contact, but it
>>>>>> moves
>>>>>> and twists all the time.  neutric, speak on, even xlr is far better.
>>>>>> and don't even get me started on gold plating lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:45 PM
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, something bothers me about what you say about inputs and
>>>>>>> outputs having plastic threads.
>>>>>>> For a jack to work you need at least two conduction points, 1 for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sleeve of the plug and another 1 for its tip.
>>>>>>> Please don't say that China is making all plastic jacks, with only a
>>>>>>> tinfoil thick metal liner inside the plastic shell?
>>>>>>> Oh Lord, what next; are they going to make our gear entirely from
>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>> flour noodles?
>>>>>>> The China pickguard I just bought has a 5 way toggle switch that
>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>> about the same from the topside as the classic Fender switch, but
>>>>>>> underneath the pickguard you find the switch is only a little
>>>>>>> rectangle made of fiberboard, with tiny solder lugs and switch
>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>> points riveted to the fiberboard.
>>>>>>> I was replacing the neck pickup, and placed the tip of the soldering
>>>>>>> gun against the corner lug, with light pressure, and suddenly the 
>>>>>>> lug
>>>>>>> and a chunk of the fiberboard split off.
>>>>>>> So great to watch how it all is getting flimsier and flimsier; isn't
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>> Luckily I have a classic-era  Fender 5 way switch to replace it 
>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>> an all metal thing with big sturdy solder lugs and switch contacts
>>>>>>> inside it.
>>>>>>> By the way, if you're an experimenter, you can make an auditory
>>>>>>> conductivity meter from a small battery holder, preferably a single
>>>>>>> triple A battery, wired in series with any old single headphone
>>>>>>> salvaged from a pair of stereo headphones that quit working on one
>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>> You end up with 2 wires.
>>>>>>> If there is conduction between any 2 lugs you touch with those 2
>>>>>>> wires; you hear a nice loud click in the headphone.
>>>>>>> You can use a battery that's too weak to run any gear, and it'll 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> plenty of voltage to make the headphone click for months and months.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:00 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>> you got lucky, many pedals and multi-effects units these days have
>>>>>>>> plastic shell input/output jacks.  Which means that though they may
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a metal nut on the outside, it's holding a plastic housing around
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> jack.
>>>>>>>> IE, no ground path through the retention nut.
>>>>>>>> You often have to go inside and solder or secure a lug to the metal
>>>>>>>> plate that generally resides on the bottom of these units to give
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> weight.
>>>>>>>> Even the hallowed boss pedals use a big old plate on the bottom
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> pedal to give it some weight and make people think it's a higher
>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>> unit because it's heavier...it's also done to help keep the pedal
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> sliding around all over the place.
>>>>>>>> you also got lucky because putting an additional wire from a unit
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> other equipment in your signal path can often create ground loops
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> causes a bigger problem than before.
>>>>>>>> don't forget, your patch cables do all the grounding for you at
>>>>>>>> least on
>>>>>>>> the audio signal path side.
>>>>>>>> wall warts have no ground to speak of beyond the obvious one at the
>>>>>>>> ground side of the 2 prong plug into the wall.
>>>>>>>> What you were actually experiencing was a high level of AC
>>>>>>>> floating on
>>>>>>>> the DC coming from the wallwart to your pedal.  wallwarts are 
>>>>>>>> seldom
>>>>>>>> properly rectified, so they have allot of AC bleeding through which
>>>>>>>> causes the hum you hear.
>>>>>>>> that is why allot of pro audio gear uses AC to the equipment, and
>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>> care of the rectification and filtering inside the unit itself.
>>>>>>>> what you've essentially done is allowed for some rectification on
>>>>>>>> the dc
>>>>>>>> and you are bleeding the ac off into a large ground source, IE the
>>>>>>>> rack...the rack probably has something in it that has excellent
>>>>>>>> rectification and a good solid ground source to bleed additional AC
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of the circuit.
>>>>>>>> anyway, regardless, sounds like it worked.
>>>>>>>> anyone who runs 9VDC equipment in the studio should have a proper
>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>> supply to help minimize hum and so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not too skilled on either, but I'd rather play midi files
>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>> keyboard than from a guitar.
>>>>>>>>> I only want midi pads to make guitar tracks more lush; and do what
>>>>>>>>> only synths can do in the background.
>>>>>>>>> Yesterday I put a ground wire on my Zoom G2.1U, did a neat job
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>> solder lug under the nut on the pedal jack in back' with a wire
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> up to the steel and aluminum rack; where all the gear resides,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> seems to have soaked up all the stray RF fields in this room; so
>>>>>>>>> hum
>>>>>>>>> is no longer a problem.
>>>>>>>>> The little 9 volt wall wart transformer for the Zoom pedal was not
>>>>>>>>> internally well grounded, so that I would hear hum and buzz when 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> very high gain overdrive settings, but could touch the metal
>>>>>>>>> cover of
>>>>>>>>> the cable's plug; or touch the metal foot switches on the Zoom and
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> the hum and buzz would go away.
>>>>>>>>> Amazing what a good ground our body provides!
>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine how many different RF frequencies are buzzing
>>>>>>>>> through my body right now, and I don't even feel them.
>>>>>>>>> So, now that it's properly grounded; the Zoom is good enough as a
>>>>>>>>> multi-effects unit and preamp for the guitar, then I got the plug
>>>>>>>>> version of Roger Linn's Adrenalinn to run in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> Adrenalinn does pretty things to guitar notes and chords, like
>>>>>>>>> delays
>>>>>>>>> that go through 32 step arpeggios that are way more sophisticated
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> the usual keyboard arpeggios.
>>>>>>>>> You aren't intended to play fast lines; instead you just play
>>>>>>>>> slowly
>>>>>>>>> and provide room  for Adrenalinn to do its arpeggios and filter
>>>>>>>>> modulations.
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, if I can get a software pitch-to-midi plug to bring in
>>>>>>>>> lush
>>>>>>>>> midi pads, behind the guitar; the tracks will be filled with
>>>>>>>>> plenty of
>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds.
>>>>>>>>> If I want a quick passage on a midi synth, I'd be inclined to just
>>>>>>>>> reach for a keyboard and play it there; so tracking from the 
>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be fast, and doesn't even need to be polyphonic;
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> does need to be accurate to trigger midi pads in the right key.
>>>>>>>>> Several of the software pitch-to-midi plugs I've collected have 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> option to restrict the midi output to a fixed scale, so it's
>>>>>>>>> theoretically impossible to get notes that glitch out of key.
>>>>>>>>> I've just got to find time to test out the various pitch-to-midi
>>>>>>>>> plugs.
>>>>>>>>> IntelliScore has been around for ages, used to transcribe a
>>>>>>>>> polyphonic
>>>>>>>>> audio track for printing out the score, but also outputs midi.
>>>>>>>>> I have a couple more similar composing and scoring plugs, all
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>> you to limit the scale of the midi they output.
>>>>>>>>> Waves Tune, Antares Autotune; all track audio notes much better if
>>>>>>>>> told in advance what the intended scale is.
>>>>>>>>> The pitch to midi plugs don't need a special pickup in the guitar,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> cost about $59 USD to $89 USD, nothing compared to the Roland 
>>>>>>>>> GR55.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:35 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded very
>>>>>>>>>> digital to
>>>>>>>>>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't mind it for 
>>>>>>>>>> modulation
>>>>>>>>>> and delays personally, but the distortions left me still feeling
>>>>>>>>>> cold. THe new BOSS DA2 TE2 and MO2 may be up indie's alley 
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Collin is the other guitarist in your band blind?  The thing that
>>>>>>>>>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control software
>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>> libraian editor, the control software for the VG 88 seemed
>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough as i installed it to take aloof at it, but i 
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> this without connecting a VG88. Things that worry me about them
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> doing the initial set up where you calibrated it for each string.
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't know if that would be accessible. Also installing the GK3
>>>>>>>>>> pickup. even without the permanent install, how easy was it to
>>>>>>>>>> get it
>>>>>>>>>> to pick up all strings evenly? I read some horror stories where
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> experienced techs won't install the things anymore cuz they could
>>>>>>>>>> never the the two highest strings to track properly.The plus of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> GR55 over the VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and already in foot
>>>>>>>>>> pedal
>>>>>>>>>> format. The VG88 however has two signal paths for the guitar
>>>>>>>>>> modeling
>>>>>>>>>> , where as the GR55 focus more on the synth sounds and only has
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> path for the guitar modeling.
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland gear, plenty fat.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not just looking for the usual electric guitar sound, 
>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more interested in unusual stringed instrument sounds;
>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>> straight electric guitar and midi synth sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>> Synths can supposedly make any sound, but there is so much
>>>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>>>> inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds from within there.
>>>>>>>>>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have Guitar Rig and all
>>>>>>>>>>> those modeling plugs.
>>>>>>>>>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take electric
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's folders, so that Alchemy
>>>>>>>>>>> creates
>>>>>>>>>>> fantasy stringed instruments from them, but you know; instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> just triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> way more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen, hammer,
>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting sounds from them.
>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to feed electric guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5, which has an audio input.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's arpeggiators, filters,
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to
>>>>>>>>>>> the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another VST where I 
>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>> get hold of  not just parameters, but graphical screen icons 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> let you navigate to features.
>>>>>>>>>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and AutoMap; I get  all
>>>>>>>>>>> automatable parameters from VST plugs, so all I need to do is to
>>>>>>>>>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8 buttons on the Nocturn box, and sounds
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly change, but that's only part of real access to a plug.
>>>>>>>>>>> To get at menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn
>>>>>>>>>>> arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still 
>>>>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>>>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's interface and
>>>>>>>>>>> provide scripts.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I just content myself with partial access, twist Nocturn's
>>>>>>>>>>> knobs
>>>>>>>>>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I can't get at.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> To my ears the boss stuff always sounded too digital. Honestly
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has alternate tuning
>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland GR55 may be closer to
>>>>>>>>>>>> what u
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Adrenalinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating around the Roland
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GT100, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it did seem that it should be accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys, and you just move things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen to the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't explain it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewer thought it is super easy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to computer, plus an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> auxiliary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    out and in so you can add sounds from an external source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype chat?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been very interested in the Roland  GR55/VG88 stuff and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know  more about what you know about the stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, for around the same price as the roger linn, go with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roland/boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the harmonizer stuff in it along with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonne of amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to choose from.  again, very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool for guitarists.  with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike placement options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on board.  Yes, you do have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gk-3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a no brainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excersize...it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously powerful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around that 400 dollar range, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or gt100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with everything the roger linn has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of drum options though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might not be quite what you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than anything.  but there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass, midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through it, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3 demo from JamShop, Sweden, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with modulation effects, and below that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound examples--hits and demos--of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios in the presets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is as much synthesizer as guitar processor, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end of all it can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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