[RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
Colin McDonald
blulemon at telus.net
Tue Sep 17 14:09:09 EDT 2013
the classic vibe '50's has the pine body. the classic vibe custom has an
alder body I think...
I expect I'll have to go get the original guitar I wanted, being the classic
vibe '50's telly...I like the custom, but the pine body, maple neck etc just
screams that telly sound to me.
the custom is warmer and a bit rounder sounding if you will. but still
plenty of telly twang and bite.
More of a modern telecaster sound.
It's not just the woods in an electric, but the combination of woods and
hardware and pickups and design that all work together to make an electric
sound like it does.
Though a swamp ash strat, will sound quite different than a basswood strat
with exactly the same pickups and hardware etc. Often it's a diffference in
attack, release, sustain, peak frequency of each string etc.
And I can tell you right now, a maple fingerboard sounds utterly different
than a rosewood fingerboard on an electric.
probably not allot of tonal difference between say alder and basswood...many
woods are highly similar as you know.
wood is often a very subtle thing in a guitar, but it does make enough
difference from instrument to instrument to make them individuals.
Did you recommend the classic vibe 50's strat, or the 60's strat?
Regards
Colin
Regards
Colin
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From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:51 AM
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
> Well, I think it's okay to talk guitars here, since guitars have midi too.
> ha ha, and I record my guitar in Reaper.
> I think that Classic Vibes Telly has the pine body, yes?
> Pine is probably great for a guitar body.
> You know basswood is what they use for most of the Squires, and it's not
> as respected as White Ash, mahogany or some of the other woods, but I
> worked with basswood when I was into model airplanes as a kid, and it's
> the wood of the really noble Linden tree; that grows a hundred feet tall
> before it gets many branches, so its wood is absolutely straight grained
> and tight, soft enough to work easily, but hard enough to take a great
> finish, actually ideal for electric guitar bodies.
> Sometimes the oriental-made Fenders cheaton the actual wood used in the
> necks.
> I have two made in Indonesia Squires; that have real rock maple necks; as
> hard and dense as wood gets; and a Made in China Squire from the mid
> nineties that had the excessively fat baseball bat neck, which I slimmed
> down, and it's an OK wood, but it's definitely not maple.
> Same with the Korean pseudo-strat, its neck is also some oriental wood
> that looks the same color as maple,; my wife says; but I know how maple
> works, and how it smells when you're cutting it.
> My wife and I lived in upper New York state for a while, with maple trees
> all around, I drilled holes in the Sugar Maples and made maple syrup, so I
> know maple.
> Maple was a common furniture wood in America for centuries, and I have
> maple furniture parts around here.
> When I get through with some current experiments, I'm going to build a
> sort of chapman stick thing, and I'll probably use some old furniture
> maple for its body.
> I already cut down the body from the Korean pseudo-strat to make a chapman
> stick thing and got sick from the poisonous wood and glue in its body.
> I think it was Black Ash, or some variant, which I was really allergic to
> as a kid.
> Actually, I'm not buying the mythology of how much difference the species
> of wood makes to the sound of an electric guitar.
> Some of the Dan Electros of the sixties and earlier weren't even wood, but
> that paper pressed board, about 3/eighths inch thick, with a minimal frame
> inside of 1 inch square Douglas Fir wood, and a big rubber bumper all
> around the outside edge, so you could knock it around all you pleased and
> it'd never show a scar.
> Those Dan Electros bring big prices from the collectors.
> The Dan Electros were totally shielded against hum inside, so they weren't
> affected by flourescent lights or amps nearby, which helped their sound
> more than any fancy wood would ever have done.
> Indi
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> On 9/16/2013 6:19 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>> yep, the clasic vibe '50's telly was my first choice, but all the local
>> stores were sold out, and I won't buy a guitar without playing it first.
>> The classic vibe custom telly was a real close second, and I actually
>> liked it a bit more with the rosewood fingerboard...I know, I know,
>> tellies should be maple, but just the combinations of woods makes this
>> one sound incredibly telly like.
>> anyway, this isn't the blind guitarist list hahaha.
>>
>> regards
>> Colin
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:55 PM
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>
>>> When I heard YouTube demos of the Classic Vibe 50's and 60's, I said I
>>> gotta have those pickups, which are classic alnico III or alnico 5's
>>> staggered single poles; and copied exactly from the ones Strats had in
>>> the fifties or sixties, only with vinyl insulated wires instead of
>>> cloth covered.
>>> I bought the Classic Vibes fifties neck position pickup new, genuine
>>> Fender part with serial number, for $20 on ebay
>>> It's sitting in the neck position on my Squire Mini right now, and
>>> sounds great.
>>> I'm going to order the others later, the middle and bridge of the
>>> Classic Vibes fifties and sixties; too good to miss for such low
>>> prices, and the next thing you know they won't be available any more.
>>> They're not over Wound or hot, just soft and sweet!
>>> I really don't get why alnico should sound so good, magnets are
>>> magnets, and I can't believe the material could put out a different
>>> sort of magnetism, but the alnicos sure do sound sweeter.
>>> On the other hand, I think the Squire HH humbuckers are ceramic, and
>>> it's so easy to get a classic fat Gibson sound from them.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/2013 5:32 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>> squier's have gotten really good again. I've got the classic vibe
>>>> custom telecaster and it's a very very good guitar in all aspects.
>>>> Putting seymour duncan vintage 54's on it soon because that is my
>>>> preference not because the stock pickups are bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try out the squier HH next time i'm in the guitar shop.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:16 PM
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>
>>>>> I read that Gibson is sneaking partial printed circuit boards into
>>>>> their guitars.
>>>>> Strats and Squires are still hand-wired circuits, though parts like
>>>>> the China 5 way switch looks like something you'd find on a printed
>>>>> circuit board.
>>>>> Sometimes it's just luck.
>>>>> I just got the Squire HH, with two Fender-made humbuckers, and a 3
>>>>> position switch.
>>>>> Man does it sound like a big fat Les Paul Gibson, and not much like a
>>>>> Strat, but what a winner for $99.95.
>>>>> Made in Indonesia, with a perfect neck, perfect intonation, low lying
>>>>> action, nothing I need to do with setup to make it better.
>>>>> I believe the body cavity is even painted with conductive shielding
>>>>> paint, because there's a grounding wire screwed into the wood at the
>>>>> bottom of the cavity.
>>>>> It's dead quiet, no hum at all, even before I got the Zoom G2.1U
>>>>> grounded.
>>>>> I'll replace the stock tuners sometime, probably get better saddles,
>>>>> probably a steel trem block instead of the potMetal one, but those are
>>>>> just niceties, not essentials.
>>>>> Some people report crooked necks, setup all wrong, crooked screws.
>>>>> The first Peavey Power Slide I got; Handcrafted in China, had no
>>>>> springs on the pickup, so if you tilted the guitar the pickup fell
>>>>> toward the strings, then when you tilted the guitar the other way the
>>>>> pickup fell to the bottom of the body cavity.
>>>>> Whoever strung it up had sharp kinks in the middle of most of the
>>>>> strings.
>>>>> I could have found springs for the pickup somewhere, but I called
>>>>> Peavey and they said to send it back, not to fix it.
>>>>> The next one was totally perfect, no flaws I can find.
>>>>> I guess the factory terminated the worker who made the first one and
>>>>> recycled him.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2013 3:34 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> yep, that's how they're making them and have been for quite some
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> if you read any amp forum, especially fender amp forums, one of the
>>>>>> first recommended mods is to install a proper input jack on the
>>>>>> amp...one that has lots of metal in it, and that you can hard wire to
>>>>>> the PCB instead of the stock plastic version that has pcb lugs
>>>>>> soldered
>>>>>> directly to the board.
>>>>>> Input or output jack nuts are constantly coming loose with regular
>>>>>> use,
>>>>>> and so once that nut has loosened off a bit, all the strain from your
>>>>>> patch cable is put onto the solder lugs of the jack, and thus onto
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pcb itself. This either snaps off lugs, breaks solder joints, or,
>>>>>> cracks
>>>>>> traces on the board...stupid design, but a buck cheaper for the
>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>> that's why I always run my cable through the handle on the amp for
>>>>>> strain relief.
>>>>>> I've got an older dunlop crybaby wah which is supposed to be high
>>>>>> quality construction. I opened up to fix, and both jacks are plastic
>>>>>> housed and have spring pins for the ground contact on the sleve of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> quarter inch plug...what happens with spring contacts? they either
>>>>>> bend, or loose their spring over time and fail to make contact.
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>> why the pedal isn't working right now? lol and the worst part is,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> way they designed the pedal, you have to use these specific jacks
>>>>>> because of their housing and how the shell of the pedal is built.
>>>>>> the common quarter inch phone jack is a very old design and the
>>>>>> industry
>>>>>> and consumers I guess, are still willing to put up with the inherent
>>>>>> problems associated with those kinds of connections.
>>>>>> not only are you depending on a compression spring contact, but it
>>>>>> moves
>>>>>> and twists all the time. neutric, speak on, even xlr is far better.
>>>>>> and don't even get me started on gold plating lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:45 PM
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, something bothers me about what you say about inputs and
>>>>>>> outputs having plastic threads.
>>>>>>> For a jack to work you need at least two conduction points, 1 for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sleeve of the plug and another 1 for its tip.
>>>>>>> Please don't say that China is making all plastic jacks, with only a
>>>>>>> tinfoil thick metal liner inside the plastic shell?
>>>>>>> Oh Lord, what next; are they going to make our gear entirely from
>>>>>>> rice
>>>>>>> flour noodles?
>>>>>>> The China pickguard I just bought has a 5 way toggle switch that
>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>> about the same from the topside as the classic Fender switch, but
>>>>>>> underneath the pickguard you find the switch is only a little
>>>>>>> rectangle made of fiberboard, with tiny solder lugs and switch
>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>> points riveted to the fiberboard.
>>>>>>> I was replacing the neck pickup, and placed the tip of the soldering
>>>>>>> gun against the corner lug, with light pressure, and suddenly the
>>>>>>> lug
>>>>>>> and a chunk of the fiberboard split off.
>>>>>>> So great to watch how it all is getting flimsier and flimsier; isn't
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>> Luckily I have a classic-era Fender 5 way switch to replace it
>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>> an all metal thing with big sturdy solder lugs and switch contacts
>>>>>>> inside it.
>>>>>>> By the way, if you're an experimenter, you can make an auditory
>>>>>>> conductivity meter from a small battery holder, preferably a single
>>>>>>> triple A battery, wired in series with any old single headphone
>>>>>>> salvaged from a pair of stereo headphones that quit working on one
>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>> You end up with 2 wires.
>>>>>>> If there is conduction between any 2 lugs you touch with those 2
>>>>>>> wires; you hear a nice loud click in the headphone.
>>>>>>> You can use a battery that's too weak to run any gear, and it'll
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> plenty of voltage to make the headphone click for months and months.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:00 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>> you got lucky, many pedals and multi-effects units these days have
>>>>>>>> plastic shell input/output jacks. Which means that though they may
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a metal nut on the outside, it's holding a plastic housing around
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> jack.
>>>>>>>> IE, no ground path through the retention nut.
>>>>>>>> You often have to go inside and solder or secure a lug to the metal
>>>>>>>> plate that generally resides on the bottom of these units to give
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> weight.
>>>>>>>> Even the hallowed boss pedals use a big old plate on the bottom
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> pedal to give it some weight and make people think it's a higher
>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>> unit because it's heavier...it's also done to help keep the pedal
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> sliding around all over the place.
>>>>>>>> you also got lucky because putting an additional wire from a unit
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> other equipment in your signal path can often create ground loops
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> causes a bigger problem than before.
>>>>>>>> don't forget, your patch cables do all the grounding for you at
>>>>>>>> least on
>>>>>>>> the audio signal path side.
>>>>>>>> wall warts have no ground to speak of beyond the obvious one at the
>>>>>>>> ground side of the 2 prong plug into the wall.
>>>>>>>> What you were actually experiencing was a high level of AC
>>>>>>>> floating on
>>>>>>>> the DC coming from the wallwart to your pedal. wallwarts are
>>>>>>>> seldom
>>>>>>>> properly rectified, so they have allot of AC bleeding through which
>>>>>>>> causes the hum you hear.
>>>>>>>> that is why allot of pro audio gear uses AC to the equipment, and
>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>> care of the rectification and filtering inside the unit itself.
>>>>>>>> what you've essentially done is allowed for some rectification on
>>>>>>>> the dc
>>>>>>>> and you are bleeding the ac off into a large ground source, IE the
>>>>>>>> rack...the rack probably has something in it that has excellent
>>>>>>>> rectification and a good solid ground source to bleed additional AC
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of the circuit.
>>>>>>>> anyway, regardless, sounds like it worked.
>>>>>>>> anyone who runs 9VDC equipment in the studio should have a proper
>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>> supply to help minimize hum and so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not too skilled on either, but I'd rather play midi files
>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>> keyboard than from a guitar.
>>>>>>>>> I only want midi pads to make guitar tracks more lush; and do what
>>>>>>>>> only synths can do in the background.
>>>>>>>>> Yesterday I put a ground wire on my Zoom G2.1U, did a neat job
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>> solder lug under the nut on the pedal jack in back' with a wire
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> up to the steel and aluminum rack; where all the gear resides,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> seems to have soaked up all the stray RF fields in this room; so
>>>>>>>>> hum
>>>>>>>>> is no longer a problem.
>>>>>>>>> The little 9 volt wall wart transformer for the Zoom pedal was not
>>>>>>>>> internally well grounded, so that I would hear hum and buzz when
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> very high gain overdrive settings, but could touch the metal
>>>>>>>>> cover of
>>>>>>>>> the cable's plug; or touch the metal foot switches on the Zoom and
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> the hum and buzz would go away.
>>>>>>>>> Amazing what a good ground our body provides!
>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine how many different RF frequencies are buzzing
>>>>>>>>> through my body right now, and I don't even feel them.
>>>>>>>>> So, now that it's properly grounded; the Zoom is good enough as a
>>>>>>>>> multi-effects unit and preamp for the guitar, then I got the plug
>>>>>>>>> version of Roger Linn's Adrenalinn to run in Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> Adrenalinn does pretty things to guitar notes and chords, like
>>>>>>>>> delays
>>>>>>>>> that go through 32 step arpeggios that are way more sophisticated
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> the usual keyboard arpeggios.
>>>>>>>>> You aren't intended to play fast lines; instead you just play
>>>>>>>>> slowly
>>>>>>>>> and provide room for Adrenalinn to do its arpeggios and filter
>>>>>>>>> modulations.
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, if I can get a software pitch-to-midi plug to bring in
>>>>>>>>> lush
>>>>>>>>> midi pads, behind the guitar; the tracks will be filled with
>>>>>>>>> plenty of
>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds.
>>>>>>>>> If I want a quick passage on a midi synth, I'd be inclined to just
>>>>>>>>> reach for a keyboard and play it there; so tracking from the
>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be fast, and doesn't even need to be polyphonic;
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> does need to be accurate to trigger midi pads in the right key.
>>>>>>>>> Several of the software pitch-to-midi plugs I've collected have
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> option to restrict the midi output to a fixed scale, so it's
>>>>>>>>> theoretically impossible to get notes that glitch out of key.
>>>>>>>>> I've just got to find time to test out the various pitch-to-midi
>>>>>>>>> plugs.
>>>>>>>>> IntelliScore has been around for ages, used to transcribe a
>>>>>>>>> polyphonic
>>>>>>>>> audio track for printing out the score, but also outputs midi.
>>>>>>>>> I have a couple more similar composing and scoring plugs, all
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>> you to limit the scale of the midi they output.
>>>>>>>>> Waves Tune, Antares Autotune; all track audio notes much better if
>>>>>>>>> told in advance what the intended scale is.
>>>>>>>>> The pitch to midi plugs don't need a special pickup in the guitar,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> cost about $59 USD to $89 USD, nothing compared to the Roland
>>>>>>>>> GR55.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:35 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded very
>>>>>>>>>> digital to
>>>>>>>>>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't mind it for
>>>>>>>>>> modulation
>>>>>>>>>> and delays personally, but the distortions left me still feeling
>>>>>>>>>> cold. THe new BOSS DA2 TE2 and MO2 may be up indie's alley
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Collin is the other guitarist in your band blind? The thing that
>>>>>>>>>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control software
>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>> libraian editor, the control software for the VG 88 seemed
>>>>>>>>>> accessible enough as i installed it to take aloof at it, but i
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> this without connecting a VG88. Things that worry me about them
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> doing the initial set up where you calibrated it for each string.
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't know if that would be accessible. Also installing the GK3
>>>>>>>>>> pickup. even without the permanent install, how easy was it to
>>>>>>>>>> get it
>>>>>>>>>> to pick up all strings evenly? I read some horror stories where
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> experienced techs won't install the things anymore cuz they could
>>>>>>>>>> never the the two highest strings to track properly.The plus of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> GR55 over the VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and already in foot
>>>>>>>>>> pedal
>>>>>>>>>> format. The VG88 however has two signal paths for the guitar
>>>>>>>>>> modeling
>>>>>>>>>> , where as the GR55 focus more on the synth sounds and only has
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> path for the guitar modeling.
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland gear, plenty fat.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not just looking for the usual electric guitar sound,
>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more interested in unusual stringed instrument sounds;
>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>> straight electric guitar and midi synth sounds.
>>>>>>>>>>> Synths can supposedly make any sound, but there is so much
>>>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>>>> inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds from within there.
>>>>>>>>>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have Guitar Rig and all
>>>>>>>>>>> those modeling plugs.
>>>>>>>>>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take electric
>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's folders, so that Alchemy
>>>>>>>>>>> creates
>>>>>>>>>>> fantasy stringed instruments from them, but you know; instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> just triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> way more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen, hammer,
>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting sounds from them.
>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to feed electric guitar
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5, which has an audio input.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's arpeggiators, filters,
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to
>>>>>>>>>>> the guitar.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another VST where I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>> get hold of not just parameters, but graphical screen icons
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> let you navigate to features.
>>>>>>>>>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and AutoMap; I get all
>>>>>>>>>>> automatable parameters from VST plugs, so all I need to do is to
>>>>>>>>>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8 buttons on the Nocturn box, and sounds
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly change, but that's only part of real access to a plug.
>>>>>>>>>>> To get at menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn
>>>>>>>>>>> arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still
>>>>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>>>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's interface and
>>>>>>>>>>> provide scripts.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I just content myself with partial access, twist Nocturn's
>>>>>>>>>>> knobs
>>>>>>>>>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I can't get at.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> To my ears the boss stuff always sounded too digital. Honestly
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has alternate tuning
>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland GR55 may be closer to
>>>>>>>>>>>> what u
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Adrenalinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating around the Roland
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GT100, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it did seem that it should be accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys, and you just move things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen to the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't explain it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewer thought it is super easy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to computer, plus an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> auxiliary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out and in so you can add sounds from an external source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype chat?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been very interested in the Roland GR55/VG88 stuff and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know more about what you know about the stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, for around the same price as the roger linn, go with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roland/boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the harmonizer stuff in it along with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonne of amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to choose from. again, very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool for guitarists. with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike placement options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on board. Yes, you do have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gk-3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a no brainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excersize...it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously powerful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around that 400 dollar range, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or gt100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with everything the roger linn has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of drum options though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might not be quite what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than anything. but there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass, midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through it, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3 demo from JamShop, Sweden, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with modulation effects, and below that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound examples--hits and demos--of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios in the presets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is as much synthesizer as guitar processor, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end of all it can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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