[RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

Mon Sep 16 18:19:53 EDT 2013

yep, the clasic vibe '50's telly was my first choice, but all the local 
stores were sold out, and I won't buy a guitar without playing it first. 
The classic vibe custom telly was a real close second, and I actually liked 
it a bit more with the rosewood fingerboard...I know, I know, tellies should 
be maple, but just the combinations of woods makes this one sound incredibly 
telly like.
anyway, this isn't the blind guitarist list hahaha.

regards
Colin
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From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:55 PM
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

> When I heard YouTube demos of the Classic Vibe 50's and 60's, I said I 
> gotta have those pickups, which are classic alnico III or alnico 5's 
> staggered single poles; and copied exactly from the ones Strats had in the 
> fifties or sixties, only with vinyl insulated wires instead of cloth 
> covered.
> I bought the Classic Vibes fifties neck position pickup new, genuine 
> Fender part with serial number, for $20 on ebay
> It's sitting in the neck position on my Squire Mini right now, and sounds 
> great.
> I'm going to order the others later, the middle and bridge of the Classic 
> Vibes fifties and sixties; too good to miss for such low prices, and the 
> next thing you know they won't be available any more.
> They're not over Wound or hot, just soft and sweet!
> I really don't get why alnico should sound so good, magnets are magnets, 
> and I can't believe the material could put out a different sort of 
> magnetism, but the alnicos sure do sound sweeter.
> On the other hand, I think the Squire HH humbuckers are ceramic, and it's 
> so easy to get a classic fat Gibson sound from them.
> Indi
>
>
> On 9/16/2013 5:32 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>> squier's have gotten really good again.  I've got the classic vibe
>> custom telecaster and it's a very very good guitar in all aspects.
>> Putting seymour duncan vintage 54's on it soon because that is my
>> preference not because the stock pickups are bad.
>>
>> I'll try out the squier HH next time i'm in the guitar shop.
>>
>> regards
>> Colin
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:16 PM
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>
>>> I read that Gibson is sneaking partial printed circuit boards into
>>> their guitars.
>>> Strats and Squires are still hand-wired circuits, though parts like
>>> the China 5 way switch looks like something you'd find on a printed
>>> circuit board.
>>> Sometimes it's just luck.
>>> I just got the Squire HH, with two Fender-made humbuckers, and a 3
>>> position switch.
>>> Man does it sound like a big fat Les Paul Gibson, and not much like a
>>> Strat, but what a winner for $99.95.
>>> Made in Indonesia, with a perfect neck, perfect intonation, low lying
>>> action, nothing I need to do with setup to make it better.
>>> I believe the body cavity is even painted with conductive shielding
>>> paint, because there's a grounding wire screwed into the wood at the
>>> bottom of the cavity.
>>> It's dead quiet, no hum at all, even before I got the Zoom G2.1U
>>> grounded.
>>> I'll replace the stock tuners sometime, probably get better saddles,
>>> probably a steel trem block instead of the potMetal one, but those are
>>> just niceties, not essentials.
>>> Some people report crooked necks, setup all wrong, crooked screws.
>>> The first Peavey Power Slide I got; Handcrafted in China, had no
>>> springs on the pickup, so if you tilted the guitar the pickup fell
>>> toward the strings, then when you tilted the guitar  the other way the
>>> pickup fell to the bottom of the body cavity.
>>> Whoever strung it up had sharp kinks in the middle of most of the
>>> strings.
>>> I could have found springs for the pickup somewhere, but I called
>>> Peavey and they said to send it back, not to fix it.
>>> The next one was totally perfect, no flaws I can find.
>>> I guess the factory terminated the worker who made the first one and
>>> recycled him.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/2013 3:34 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>> yep, that's how they're making them and have been for quite some time.
>>>> if you read any amp forum, especially fender amp forums, one of the
>>>> first recommended mods is to install a proper input jack on the
>>>> amp...one that has lots of metal in it, and that you can hard wire to
>>>> the PCB instead of the stock plastic version that has pcb lugs soldered
>>>> directly to the board.
>>>> Input or output jack nuts are constantly coming loose with regular use,
>>>> and so once that nut has loosened off a bit, all the strain from your
>>>> patch cable is put onto the solder lugs of the jack, and thus onto the
>>>> pcb itself. This either snaps off lugs, breaks solder joints, or, 
>>>> cracks
>>>> traces on the board...stupid design, but a buck cheaper for the
>>>> manufacturer.
>>>> that's why I always run my cable through the handle on the amp for
>>>> strain relief.
>>>> I've got an older dunlop crybaby wah which is supposed to be high
>>>> quality construction.  I opened up to fix, and both jacks are plastic
>>>> housed and have spring pins for the ground contact on the sleve of the
>>>> quarter inch plug...what happens with spring contacts?  they either
>>>> bend, or loose their spring over time and fail to make contact.  guess
>>>> why the pedal isn't working right now? lol  and the worst part is, the
>>>> way they designed the pedal, you have to use these specific jacks
>>>> because of their housing and how the shell of the pedal is built.
>>>> the common quarter inch phone jack is a very old design and the 
>>>> industry
>>>> and consumers I guess, are still willing to put up with the inherent
>>>> problems associated with those kinds of connections.
>>>> not only are you depending on a compression spring contact, but it 
>>>> moves
>>>> and twists all the time.  neutric, speak on, even xlr is far better.
>>>> and don't even get me started on gold plating lol.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Colin
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:45 PM
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>
>>>>> You know, something bothers me about what you say about inputs and
>>>>> outputs having plastic threads.
>>>>> For a jack to work you need at least two conduction points, 1 for the
>>>>> sleeve of the plug and another 1 for its tip.
>>>>> Please don't say that China is making all plastic jacks, with only a
>>>>> tinfoil thick metal liner inside the plastic shell?
>>>>> Oh Lord, what next; are they going to make our gear entirely from rice
>>>>> flour noodles?
>>>>> The China pickguard I just bought has a 5 way toggle switch that feels
>>>>> about the same from the topside as the classic Fender switch, but
>>>>> underneath the pickguard you find the switch is only a little
>>>>> rectangle made of fiberboard, with tiny solder lugs and switch contact
>>>>> points riveted to the fiberboard.
>>>>> I was replacing the neck pickup, and placed the tip of the soldering
>>>>> gun against the corner lug, with light pressure, and suddenly the lug
>>>>> and a chunk of the fiberboard split off.
>>>>> So great to watch how it all is getting flimsier and flimsier; isn't
>>>>> it?
>>>>> Luckily I have a classic-era  Fender 5 way switch to replace it with,
>>>>> an all metal thing with big sturdy solder lugs and switch contacts
>>>>> inside it.
>>>>> By the way, if you're an experimenter, you can make an auditory
>>>>> conductivity meter from a small battery holder, preferably a single
>>>>> triple A battery, wired in series with any old single headphone
>>>>> salvaged from a pair of stereo headphones that quit working on one
>>>>> side.
>>>>> You end up with 2 wires.
>>>>> If there is conduction between any 2 lugs you touch with those 2
>>>>> wires; you hear a nice loud click in the headphone.
>>>>> You can use a battery that's too weak to run any gear, and it'll have
>>>>> plenty of voltage to make the headphone click for months and months.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:00 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>>> you got lucky, many pedals and multi-effects units these days have
>>>>>> plastic shell input/output jacks.  Which means that though they may
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a metal nut on the outside, it's holding a plastic housing around the
>>>>>> jack.
>>>>>> IE, no ground path through the retention nut.
>>>>>> You often have to go inside and solder or secure a lug to the metal
>>>>>> plate that generally resides on the bottom of these units to give 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> weight.
>>>>>> Even the hallowed boss pedals use a big old plate on the bottom of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pedal to give it some weight and make people think it's a higher
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>> unit because it's heavier...it's also done to help keep the pedal 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> sliding around all over the place.
>>>>>> you also got lucky because putting an additional wire from a unit
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> other equipment in your signal path can often create ground loops
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> causes a bigger problem than before.
>>>>>> don't forget, your patch cables do all the grounding for you at
>>>>>> least on
>>>>>> the audio signal path side.
>>>>>> wall warts have no ground to speak of beyond the obvious one at the
>>>>>> ground side of the 2 prong plug into the wall.
>>>>>> What you were actually experiencing was a high level of AC floating 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the DC coming from the wallwart to your pedal.  wallwarts are seldom
>>>>>> properly rectified, so they have allot of AC bleeding through which
>>>>>> causes the hum you hear.
>>>>>> that is why allot of pro audio gear uses AC to the equipment, and
>>>>>> takes
>>>>>> care of the rectification and filtering inside the unit itself.
>>>>>> what you've essentially done is allowed for some rectification on
>>>>>> the dc
>>>>>> and you are bleeding the ac off into a large ground source, IE the
>>>>>> rack...the rack probably has something in it that has excellent
>>>>>> rectification and a good solid ground source to bleed additional AC
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of the circuit.
>>>>>> anyway, regardless, sounds like it worked.
>>>>>> anyone who runs 9VDC equipment in the studio should have a proper
>>>>>> power
>>>>>> supply to help minimize hum and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not too skilled on either, but I'd rather play midi files from a
>>>>>>> keyboard than from a guitar.
>>>>>>> I only want midi pads to make guitar tracks more lush; and do what
>>>>>>> only synths can do in the background.
>>>>>>> Yesterday I put a ground wire on my Zoom G2.1U, did a neat job with 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> solder lug under the nut on the pedal jack in back' with a wire 
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> up to the steel and aluminum rack; where all the gear resides, which
>>>>>>> seems to have soaked up all the stray RF fields in this room; so hum
>>>>>>> is no longer a problem.
>>>>>>> The little 9 volt wall wart transformer for the Zoom pedal was not
>>>>>>> internally well grounded, so that I would hear hum and buzz when on
>>>>>>> very high gain overdrive settings, but could touch the metal cover 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the cable's plug; or touch the metal foot switches on the Zoom and
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the hum and buzz would go away.
>>>>>>> Amazing what a good ground our body provides!
>>>>>>> I can only imagine how many different RF frequencies are buzzing
>>>>>>> through my body right now, and I don't even feel them.
>>>>>>> So, now that it's properly grounded; the Zoom is good enough as a
>>>>>>> multi-effects unit and preamp for the guitar, then I got the plug
>>>>>>> version of Roger Linn's Adrenalinn to run in Reaper.
>>>>>>> Adrenalinn does pretty things to guitar notes and chords, like 
>>>>>>> delays
>>>>>>> that go through 32 step arpeggios that are way more sophisticated
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> the usual keyboard arpeggios.
>>>>>>> You aren't intended to play fast lines; instead you just play slowly
>>>>>>> and provide room  for Adrenalinn to do its arpeggios and filter
>>>>>>> modulations.
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, if I can get a software pitch-to-midi plug to bring in
>>>>>>> lush
>>>>>>> midi pads, behind the guitar; the tracks will be filled with
>>>>>>> plenty of
>>>>>>> beautiful sounds.
>>>>>>> If I want a quick passage on a midi synth, I'd be inclined to just
>>>>>>> reach for a keyboard and play it there; so tracking from the guitar
>>>>>>> doesn't need to be fast, and doesn't even need to be polyphonic; but
>>>>>>> does need to be accurate to trigger midi pads in the right key.
>>>>>>> Several of the software pitch-to-midi plugs I've collected have the
>>>>>>> option to restrict the midi output to a fixed scale, so it's
>>>>>>> theoretically impossible to get notes that glitch out of key.
>>>>>>> I've just got to find time to test out the various pitch-to-midi
>>>>>>> plugs.
>>>>>>> IntelliScore has been around for ages, used to transcribe a
>>>>>>> polyphonic
>>>>>>> audio track for printing out the score, but also outputs midi.
>>>>>>> I have a couple more similar composing and scoring plugs, all  allow
>>>>>>> you to limit the scale of the midi they output.
>>>>>>> Waves Tune, Antares Autotune; all track audio notes much better if
>>>>>>> told in advance what the intended scale is.
>>>>>>> The pitch to midi plugs don't need a special pickup in the guitar,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> cost about $59 USD to $89 USD, nothing compared to the Roland GR55.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2013 12:35 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded very
>>>>>>>> digital to
>>>>>>>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't mind it for modulation
>>>>>>>> and delays personally, but the distortions left me still feeling
>>>>>>>> cold. THe new BOSS DA2 TE2 and MO2 may be up indie's alley though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Collin is the other guitarist in your band blind?  The thing that
>>>>>>>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control software just a
>>>>>>>> libraian editor, the control software for the VG 88 seemed
>>>>>>>> accessible enough as i installed it to take aloof at it, but i did
>>>>>>>> this without connecting a VG88. Things that worry me about them was
>>>>>>>> doing the initial set up where you calibrated it for each string.
>>>>>>>> Didn't know if that would be accessible. Also installing the GK3
>>>>>>>> pickup. even without the permanent install, how easy was it to
>>>>>>>> get it
>>>>>>>> to pick up all strings evenly? I read some horror stories where 
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> experienced techs won't install the things anymore cuz they could
>>>>>>>> never the the two highest strings to track properly.The plus of the
>>>>>>>> GR55 over the VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and already in foot pedal
>>>>>>>> format. The VG88 however has two signal paths for the guitar
>>>>>>>> modeling
>>>>>>>> , where as the GR55 focus more on the synth sounds and only has one
>>>>>>>> path for the guitar modeling.
>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland gear, plenty fat.
>>>>>>>>> I'm not just looking for the usual electric guitar sound, though.
>>>>>>>>> I'm more interested in unusual stringed instrument sounds; between
>>>>>>>>> straight electric guitar and midi synth sounds.
>>>>>>>>> Synths can supposedly make any sound, but there is so much going 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many really
>>>>>>>>> beautiful sounds from within there.
>>>>>>>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have Guitar Rig and all
>>>>>>>>> those modeling plugs.
>>>>>>>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take electric 
>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's folders, so that Alchemy
>>>>>>>>> creates
>>>>>>>>> fantasy stringed instruments from them, but you know; instead of
>>>>>>>>> just triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;  it's
>>>>>>>>> way more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen, hammer, 
>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting sounds from them.
>>>>>>>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to feed electric guitar
>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5, which has an audio input.
>>>>>>>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's arpeggiators, filters, whatever 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the guitar.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another VST where I can't
>>>>>>>>> get hold of  not just parameters, but graphical screen icons that
>>>>>>>>> let you navigate to features.
>>>>>>>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and AutoMap; I get  all
>>>>>>>>> automatable parameters from VST plugs, so all I need to do is to
>>>>>>>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8 buttons on the Nocturn box, and sounds
>>>>>>>>> certainly change, but that's only part of real access to a plug.
>>>>>>>>> To get at menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn
>>>>>>>>> arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still requires
>>>>>>>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's interface and
>>>>>>>>> provide scripts.
>>>>>>>>> Or, I just content myself with partial access, twist Nocturn's
>>>>>>>>> knobs
>>>>>>>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I can't get at.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> To my ears the boss stuff always sounded too digital. Honestly
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has alternate tuning
>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland GR55 may be closer to what u
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> with the Adrenalinn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating around the Roland
>>>>>>>>>>> GT100, and
>>>>>>>>>>> it did seem that it should be accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys, and you just move things
>>>>>>>>>>> from 1
>>>>>>>>>>> screen to the other.
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't explain it in detail,
>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>> reviewer thought it is super easy.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to computer, plus an
>>>>>>>>>>> auxiliary
>>>>>>>>>>>    out and in so you can add sounds from an external source.
>>>>>>>>>>> What it doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>> pedal,
>>>>>>>>>>> which I love.
>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype chat?
>>>>>>>>>>>> been very interested in the Roland  GR55/VG88 stuff and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Boss
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface  Would
>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>> know  more about what you know about the stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin McDonald"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blulemon at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, for around the same price as the roger linn, go with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> roland/boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the harmonizer stuff in it along with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonne of amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to choose from.  again, very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool for guitarists.  with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike placement options, along
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on board.  Yes, you do have to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gk-3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a no brainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> excersize...it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously powerful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around that 400 dollar range, the gt10,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or gt100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with everything the roger linn has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and far
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of drum options though, so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might not be quite what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than anything.  but there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric guitar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bass, midi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through it, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3 demo from JamShop, Sweden, then below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with modulation effects, and below that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound examples--hits and demos--of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios in the presets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is as much synthesizer as guitar processor, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end of all it can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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