[RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds

Indigo 33indigo at charter.net
Mon Sep 16 16:39:26 EDT 2013 

Well, I agree that a single step that requires sighted help doth not 
make something inaccessible.
I tried really hard to access the page in Novation's AutoMap where you 
point AutoMat at your list of VST synths, so it can scan them and assign 
all their parameters to the Nocturn control surface, and I did get it to 
display once in NVDA, a lucky accident I couldn't repeat.
NVDA is like that, can reach screens that other screenreaders can't, but 
it requires many variations of burrowing through layers; at the number pad.
So, with new plugs; I must ask my wife to point AutoMat at the plug to 
be scanned, which requires about ten seconds of her time.
After the plugs are scanned, I am just find using the Nocturn to tweak 
parameters.
There is even a semi-transparent pop up that can be triggered to appear 
on Reaper's screen with info on the plug being controlled, the current 
parameter, and its values.
To me that's very acceptable access, only sighted help needed sometimes, 
and not constantly.
Indi


On 9/16/2013 1:10 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
> no, he's not blind, just me and the drummer lol.
>
> I guess it depends on what you think of as accessible.
> Because the gr-55 is designed to be a completely stand alone unit, that
> means, no need to connect to any computer to get into the deeper
> parameters and set ups, as a result things are easily accessed from the
> unit itself.
> Does accessibility to you mean one button press and no menus?  or does
> it mean only 2 levels of menus or what?  Because for me, if I can read a
> manual and accomplish what I need to accomplish by hitting sequences of
> buttons and counting clicks on a wheel or whatever, that is perfectly
> acceptible.
> Also, I don't judge a device to be inaccessible if I need some basic
> sighted assistance with set up or calibrations or whatever.  As long as
> I can edit patches, and create the sounds I want on my own, then the
> unit, to me, is accessible.
> Is it as easy as turning knobs and flipping switches, well, no, but
> accessibility means different things to different people I guess.
> I have had no opportunity to actually sit down with the gr-55 and make
> patches from scratch etc.  I know it's accessible just based on the
> conversations I've had with my gtr player and from the youtube demo's etc.
> So my working knowledge of the unit is limited.
> If you want multi-modelling paths for amps, cabinets, mike placements
> and all that stuff, the gt100 is the unit you want.  The gr-55 is
> definitely a synth first, and a modeller second lol.
> The gk-3 pickup works well with strats and telecasters and probably a
> typical LP type guitar.  My guy modified one of his gk-3's to better
> accomidate the saddle curve on his 67 flying V and it tracks perfectly.
> I think earlier versions of the gk pickup had issues with tracking, but
> the gk-3 seems to be pretty solid.
> If you want perfect tracking all the time, you go with an under saddle
> piezo system rather than the stick on GK pickup.  Something like what
> the godin guitars have onboard for the midi portion of their output.
> regards
> Colin
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:35 PM
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>
>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded very digital to
>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't mind it for modulation and
>> delays personally, but the distortions left me still feeling cold. THe
>> new BOSS DA2 TE2 and MO2 may be up indie's alley though.
>>
>> Collin is the other guitarist in your band blind?  The thing that
>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control software just a
>> libraian editor, the control software for the VG 88 seemed  accessible
>> enough as i installed it to take aloof at it, but i did this without
>> connecting a VG88. Things that worry me about them was doing the
>> initial set up where you calibrated it for each string. Didn't know if
>> that would be accessible. Also installing the GK3 pickup. even without
>> the permanent install, how easy was it to get it to pick up all
>> strings evenly? I read some horror stories where even experienced
>> techs won't install the things anymore cuz they could never the the
>> two highest strings to track properly.The plus of the GR55 over the
>> VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and already in foot pedal format. The VG88
>> however has two signal paths for the guitar modeling , where as the
>> GR55 focus more on the synth sounds and only has one path for the
>> guitar modeling.
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland gear, plenty fat.
>>> I'm not just looking for the usual electric guitar sound, though.
>>> I'm more interested in unusual stringed instrument sounds; between
>>> straight electric guitar and midi synth sounds.
>>> Synths can supposedly make any sound, but there is so much going on
>>> inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many really
>>> beautiful sounds from within there.
>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have Guitar Rig and all
>>> those modeling plugs.
>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take electric guitar
>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's folders, so that Alchemy creates
>>> fantasy stringed instruments from them, but you know; instead of just
>>> triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;  it's way
>>> more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen, hammer, actual
>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting sounds from them.
>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to feed electric guitar through
>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5, which has an audio input.
>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's arpeggiators, filters, whatever to
>>> the guitar.
>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another VST where I can't get
>>> hold of  not just parameters, but graphical screen icons that let you
>>> navigate to features.
>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and AutoMap; I get  all
>>> automatable parameters from VST plugs, so all I need to do is to
>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8 buttons on the Nocturn box, and sounds
>>> certainly change, but that's only part of real access to a plug.
>>> To get at menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn
>>> arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still requires
>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's interface and provide
>>> scripts.
>>> Or, I just content myself with partial access, twist Nocturn's knobs
>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I can't get at.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:
>>>> To my ears the boss stuff always sounded too digital. Honestly more
>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has alternate tuning
>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland GR55 may be closer to what u want
>>>> with the Adrenalinn
>>>>
>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating around the Roland GT100,
>>>>> and
>>>>> it did seem that it should be accessible.
>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys, and you just move things from 1
>>>>> screen to the other.
>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't explain it in detail,
>>>>> but the
>>>>> reviewer thought it is super easy.
>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to computer, plus an
>>>>> auxiliary
>>>>>   out and in so you can add sounds from an external source.
>>>>> What it doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the AdrenaLinn pedal,
>>>>> which I love.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up for a
>>>>>> Skype chat?
>>>>>> been very interested in the Roland  GR55/VG88 stuff and the Boss
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface  Would
>>>>>> love to
>>>>>> know  more about what you know about the stuff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin McDonald" <blulemon at telus.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> go a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55 guitar
>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly accessible.
>>>>>>> or, for around the same price as the roger linn, go with the
>>>>>>> roland/boss
>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the harmonizer stuff in it along with a tonne
>>>>>>> of amp
>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to choose from.  again, very
>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool for guitarists.  with many amp
>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike placement options, along
>>>>>>> with all
>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on board.  Yes, you do have to put
>>>>>>> the gk-3
>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a no brainer excersize...it's
>>>>>>> seriously powerful.
>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around that 400 dollar range, the gt10, or
>>>>>>> gt100
>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with everything the roger linn has and far
>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of drum options though, so if
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might not be quite what you need.
>>>>>>> the boss
>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than anything.  but there is
>>>>>>> capability of
>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the thing.
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric guitar,
>>>>>>>> bass, midi
>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through it, why not?
>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3 demo from JamShop, Sweden, then below
>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with modulation effects, and below that is my
>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound examples--hits and demos--of AdrenaLinn
>>>>>>>> III.
>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios in the presets.
>>>>>>>> This thing is as much synthesizer as guitar processor, and I doubt
>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end of all it can do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw
>>>>>>>>
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