[RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Sep 11 22:13:35 EDT 2013
The second option makes more sense to me, it seems so overkill to have to write a envelope all the way to the end of a track just to keep the volume the same.
Well, I"m on reaper 4.5 now so will be looking.
Yes some things are a bit flakier with reaccess, but I want to get in on the bridged separate process vst window thing, and after making sfz with autohotkey and seeing how much easier that was, I didn't even have to change my window title name for triggering, it's a sacrifice I'll make.
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Perdue
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
There are two ways to fix that. First, there is an action to write
current track envelope from cursor to the end of the project, and there
is another option somewhere in preferences (not enabled by default) that
doesn't reset to the previous value after a new envelope is created.
I'll be damned if I can remember what that's called now though.
I actually do like the default behavior for some things, so I've left it
there and use it in conjunction with the action I mentioned previously.
It's an extra step, but for the types of stuff I edit, it makes more
sense to do it that way most of the time.
But yes, you can make this thing happen by default. Someone on this list
mentioned how to do it some months back.
On 9/11/2013 8:42 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> I could live with reaper's automation if they gave me an option to leave
> things where the hell I left them instead of insisting on popping back
> to original values.
> I know some have said they like this, but I can't stand it 'grin'.
> So when I become a paying member, that'll be the first thing I ask for
> is a choice in this matter.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Perdue <mailto:patrick at pdaudio.net>
> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>
> Well, if you have a control surface, you can do some automation stuff.
> Editing the envelopes after they exist... yeah, that's a problem. You
> can do some really basic stuff with the keyboard, I.E. track/master
> track level or master playrate change, which is all kinds of fun in and
> of itself. I've used a Korg Nanokontrol in some projects as both a
> control surface and a basic button/knob box for controlling effect
> parameters. You can definitely get the basics done, but any more than
> that, and there are some huge gaps in what can be manipulated, as there
> is no way that I know of to edit automation envelopes from a keyboard
> after they've been recorded. Easiest just to trash and redo your
> automation event, sucky as that is.
> I never figured out how to automate track sends, so I've worked around
> that by sending a folder to a track, sending that track to another
> track
> with effects on it, routing post-fader, then automating the track that
> is sent to the effects. Not at all efficient, and surely not necessary
> if you can see stuff.
>
> I most often do the split/item property change/overlap items thing for
> both panning and amplitude, because you can get very precise with it
> and
> it works. Unlike automation at present, you can non-destructively do
> stuff about that once it's been implemented.
>
> On 9/11/2013 8:06 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> > Well, at least with item based editing in reaper, you don't mess up
> > anything. It bothers me that we have to split audio to do things,
> > even though it works, and reaper's crossfades are very smooth, it's
> > still technically not cool to have to tear apart your audio just to
> > do a little automation. Or get around, in other words, to my
> > engineer's head it's better to bend it than break it, even if you can
> > fix it prety good. Just in midi, this concept will work better,
> > because it won't be necessary to cross-fade broken audio events. It's
> > just a matter of grouping then more than any physical changes to the
> > actual data. Item based midi editing, ok then , this will help, the
> > other shoe drops 'grin'.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David P Shortland
> > <mailto:dragamilov at comcen.com.au> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers
> > <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:55
> > PM *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
> >
> > Hi & Greetings from Down Under... Not as far as I have been abel to
> > discover.... It always seems to start at the beginning of the Event
> > List... You can use Page Up & Page Down keys to jump 7 events at a
> > time... However, the work around that I do for this one is if I need
> > to edit something that is say 16 bars into a Item.... I just do a
> > split just before the section I wish to edit and Voila when the new
> > Item is opened you are right there... The more I use REAPER ... the
> > more I am getting to know how this Item based Editing worx... ...and
> > liking it... It does not matter to me whether a Trak has One Item,
> > several items or several thousand items,... at any given time you can
> > Glue all the Items together and each part retains what you have
> > edited and you can start again... Also just as a quick mention, which
> > some of us may need to get our heads around, is the concept of not
> > having a dedicated SubGroup area.... the flexibility that REAPER
> > allows by being able to put anything anywhere and being able to route
> > anything to anywhere is simply in a word ... NICE!!! Anyway... on
> > with the Editing... Kind regards David P Shortland DragonScore
> > Productions *From:* Chris Belle <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> *Sent:*
> > Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:17 AM *To:* Reapers Without Peepers
> > <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com> *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
> > Query from New User Hey, I have done that but is there an easy way to
> > move between midi events? I mean you can move along the time line,
> > but in sonar it jumps through all the extra time and immediately goes
> > to the next midi event. Or do you have to go to the exact place on
> > the time like for each midi event? That was one thing killing me.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David P Shortland
> > <mailto:dragamilov at comcen.com.au> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers
> > <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:45
> > PM *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User Hi &
> > Greetings again from Down Under
> >
> > Again, just a little addendum to Indy's post...
> >
> > Once you have selected the MIDI Item you wish to Edit Control plus
> > Alt plus E opens the MIDI Editor...
> >
> > You only need to do this once but you need to go to the Options Menu
> > (I think) or it might be the View Menu...(apologies not sure which)
> >
> > Select Event List...
> >
> > You can scroll up and down the Event List with the cursor keys
> >
> > When you want to Edit an Event Focus on it and press Control plus F2
> >
> > This Opens the Event Item Dialog and yu can TAB around and change
> > whatever you wish...
> >
> > No need to go to the Apply or OK buttons just hit Enter when you
> > have finished your Edit...
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > David P Shortland DragonScore Productions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Indigo Sent: Wednesday, September
> > 11, 2013 8:52 PM To: Reapers Without Peepers Subject: Re: [RWP]
> > Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
> >
> > I used those ancient midi sequencers in dos or on the Atari ST; ,
> > like Voyettra Gold, Doctor T's Keyboard Midi Sequencer, all totally
> > accessible, just punching in numbers, then I did midi from hardware
> > sequencers, from Yamaha and the MMT8; then I edited midi from Sonar
> > versions 4, 6, 7 and 8.5.3, and to me all editing at the event level
> > is the most tedious, most boring thing I could imagine.
> >
> > I'd rather play in a passage a dozen times until I get it just right
> > than chase down a single midi event and type in number values. But,
> > for those who don't mind, I think Reaper's layout for getting at
> > notes and every single note event possible at tab and arrow keys
> > couldn't be more ideal. How could it be easier than having everything
> > neately labeled and laid out at the taband arrow keys; where you can
> > arrow to other note values, for instance, or type in different
> > numbers for velocity, note length, pitch, program number, yada yada
> > yada? One thing to note is that; when finished with editing; you
> > need to tab to apply, and then hit enter; but there can be another
> > step that might or might not be required. At certain places, you
> > might need to find an OK button that needs to be clicked; after
> > pressing enter on Apply takes you back to the track view; so look out
> > for that one. If anyone is not hearing their changes of values being
> > applied to their music, go to your number pad and use your PC cursor
> > slash mouse pointer slash object navigation to find that OK button,
> > then left click it. I'll go search my collection and repost David
> > Shortland's method of reaching the midi editor. By the way, since
> > it's a different midi editor than the inline editor that Ivan's
> > shortcut reached, maybe reaAccess is not doing anything to assist
> > with access of David's midi editor, it's just screenreader friendly
> > because Reaper is written that way, using Microsoft standard menus
> > and controls. Indi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/11/2013 4:51 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> >> I'm really not a MIDI type, but sure, a repost of David's
> > steps is
> >> bound to help someone.
> >>
> >> Yeah, of course MIDI is MIDI is MIDI from DAW to DAW, but I'd
> > wager
> >> there would be neat little tips and tricks people use to speed up
> >> editing which are specific to each one. Sometimes, just watching
> >> someone else who's got a workflow down smashing through a
> > task can be
> >> quite inspiring.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net
> <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>
> > <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>> wrote:
> >>> I'll dig out and post the guide to bringing up the midi
> > editor, David
> >>> Shortland style, which is step-by-step to get inside the
> > midi editor,
> >>> right down to the event list for each note of your music
> > along the
> >>> timeline. Anyone who has the least experience with editing midi
> >>> events
> > in every
> >>> sequencer or daw ever made should know that midi is midi;
> > and it isn't
> >>> different in a different daw. Each event is clearly labeled in
> >>> Reaper, in plain English,
> > and if you
> >>> want to shorten or lengthen a note length, or move the note
> > up or down a
> >>> list of chromatic notes, or shift it to another octave, or
> > alter its
> >>> velocity number, or move the note's position on the
> > timeline, or a
> >>> thousand other editing details; duh, what's so hard about
> > that to figure
> >>> out? So, it's laid out differently from Voyettra Gold, or Sonar,
> > or ProTools,
> >>> don't we all expect that? It's good for the health of our brain
> >>> cells to exercise
> > them, otherwise
> >>> we get to be an old dog that can't learn new tricks. When all
> >>> note events are clearly labeled, all laid out very
> > conveniently
> >>> at the tab keys, with edit fields at the arrow keys, what
> > more could
> >>> anyone ever hope for in access from a screenreader? Indi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/10/2013 8:15 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> >>>> I've dropped Roy a line to see whether he'd have time to
> > share some
> >>>> wisdom. Just hit on the idea of spending a bit of time
> > hanging out
> >>>> with each of the people on here that are using Reaper to do
> > cool
> >>>> stuff, whatever their stuff may be. I'd interview them and
> > record a
> >>>> bit of them in action for an hour at most, then handle all
> > the boring
> >>>> editing uploading headache stuff so they don't have too.
> > Seems like if
> >>>> enough people are keen to be featured it'd make a neat
> > little podcast
> >>>> series. I could justify putting the time into it seeing as
> > I'd no
> >>>> doubt learn a bunch of stuff along the way.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's see what happens. First time I've been excited about
> > Reaper in a
> >>>> while, so I hope the response from Roy is positive so I can
> > strike
> >>>> while the iron is hot here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/11/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> > <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> >>>>> Roy seems to have a leg up on some of the things we don't,
> > bet he'd
> >>>>> help out if we approached him with a few clams.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions To:
> >>>>> Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013
> >>>>> 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from
> >>>>> New
> > User
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ah, well that is a hole new animal… I can do some of it,
> > but I
> >>>>> would like to better edit stuff. Is there a person doing
> >>>>> this
> > already? Are they
> >>>>> giving lessons? lol
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:16 PM, "Chris Belle"
> > <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I mean doing detailed editing and such.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you down with that, I can load up and play midi
> > and such,
> >>>>> but detailed editing and nudging notes and doing transforms
> >>>>> or
> > search and
> >>>>> replace like the interpolate dialogue in sonar, that sort
> > of stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions
> >>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
> >>>>>> 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query
> >>>>>> from
> > New User
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I use midi all the time with reaper… That's why I have been
> >>>>>> all over poise, that's one
> > less piece of
> >>>>> hardware that I have to hook up to the mixer. Now I can leave
> >>>>> my
> > npc at the
> >>>>> church. lol.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Chris Belle"
> > <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> yeh, reaper isn't where sonar is but definitely useable,
> >>>>>>> especially with straight audio.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We're all gonna have to flip Roy a few sheckles
> > and get him to
> >>>>> show us how he does midi with reaper,
> >>>>>>> I just ain't figured it out yet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I mean I can do basics load a osft synth and hit
> > the midi
> >>>>> editor,
> >>>>>>> and see some events and such, but it ain't
> > anything like sonar
> >>>>> and there are no docs,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We desperately need some serious docs shoing how to do
> >>>>> everything.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions
> >>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
> >>>>>>> 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
> >>>>>>> Query from
> > New User
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's exactly where I was going with that. lol. I
> > use reaper,
> >>>>> hell, like I said in my last message, I paid for it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:25 PM, "Chris Belle"
> >>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think GF was being humorous.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I took it that way anyhow.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kind of how we get the shaft and the end of the
> > line
> >>>>> everywhere in the world and have to fight like dogs to not
> >>>>> get left out,
> >>>>>>>> but you know how it works in this world, money
> > talks and
> >>>>> bullshit walks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If there were 20 million blind reaper users
> > ready to buy
> >>>>> access would be here next week 'grin'.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For now we just have to cowboy up and do the
> > best we can.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Chesworth To:
> >>>>>>>> Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
> >>>>>>>> 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
> >>>>>>>> Query
> > from New User
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Couple of points to keep in mind before you dig
> > too deep into
> >>>>> slating
> >>>>>>>> the Reaper developers in public...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> They are aware that a visually impaired userbase
> > exists, and
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> gradually been exposing GUI elements over time. If
> > you need
> >>>>> proof of
> >>>>>>>> that, do some mousing around in Reaper on PC and
> > see how much
> >>>>> NVDA
> >>>>>>>> tells you, or compare how much is visible with
> > VoiceOver on
> >>>>> Mac now
> >>>>>>>> against a version from a couple years back. API
> > bugs that
> >>>>> impacted
> >>>>>>>> upon ReaAccess were fixed, and there have been a
> > couple of
> >>>>> instances
> >>>>>>>> where accessibility gets a mention in the
> > changelogs. A
> >>>>> couple of
> >>>>>>>> people with decent track records of getting stuff
> > done are in
> >>>>> contact
> >>>>>>>> with Justin the lead developer, all be it
> >>>>>>>> sporadically.
> >>>>> They're not
> >>>>>>>> shouting from the rooftops about that, but when
> > the progress
> >>>>> comes, it
> >>>>>>>> happens in fits and starts and has been largely due
> > to nudges
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> guidance from these key people. I think it's fair to
> > say that
> >>>>> Cockos
> >>>>>>>> have demonstrated that they're happy to help, but
> > they need
> >>>>> guidance
> >>>>>>>> and it needs to fit around their existing
> > roadmap. I think
> >>>>> it's pretty
> >>>>>>>> unfair to say we've been shafted. If you must find a
> > home for
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> accusation, Ivan's your man. Tell him who sent you
> >>>>>>>> lol.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is the future certain? No. Then again, are their
> > other DAW
> >>>>> developers
> >>>>>>>> showing markedly less interest? You betcha.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nice idea re the NVDA team. Last time I
> > approached Jamie
> >>>>> about Reaper
> >>>>>>>> he was up to his ears in Sonar as his pet project,
> > but who
> >>>>> knows,
> >>>>>>>> someone else might have better luck catching him at
> > the right
> >>>>> time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions
> > <goldfingas at gmail.com <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>
> <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Glad I could brighten your day with that one. lol.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Keith Hinton
> >>>>> <keithint1234 at gmail.com <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Muhahahahahahahhahaha! Cock OS! Oh dear! LOL
> > Okay, I'll
> >>>>> stop laughing
> >>>>>>>>>> now. But yeah, I think we've got it for sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions
> > <goldfingas at gmail.com <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>
> <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Remember folks, the developers of reaper
> > call them selves
> >>>>> "cockos." If
> >>>>>>>>>>> you break that down, it spells "cock OS." lol. I
> > think we got
> >>>>> the shaft on
> >>>>>>>>>>> this one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Keith Hinton
> >>>>> <keithint1234 at gmail.com <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can tel you, despite being new myself,
> > that yes,
> >>>>> ReaAccess has
> >>>>>>>>>>>> always been (basicly) the accessibility
> > pathway for
> >>>>> screen readers to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> interface to Reaper. The development has die
> >>>>>>>>>>>> out-last update was
> > in 2010.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> A few folks have been able to use Reaper 4
> > with
> >>>>> ReaAccess just
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fine-looking up workarounds for things etc,
> > but as I
> >>>>> understand it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> your largely on your own with Reaper anyways.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Without ReaAccess, I do not believe any native
> >>>>> accessibility exists in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper itself. However, again, I could be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> utterly wrong. If others could reply to this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new users
> > question as
> >>>>> well, that might
> >>>>>>>>>>>> help-but I believe I've answered it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Daveed Mandell
> > <daveedm at sbcglobal.net <mailto:daveedm at sbcglobal.net>
> <mailto:daveedm at sbcglobal.net>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of Reaper accessibility
> > right now? I
> >>>>> understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Reaper's developers have shown little
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> > no interest in
> >>>>> making the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> software accessible, and that accessibility
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has been
> > provided
> >>>>> through a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> separate bridfe produced by blind people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> working from
> > this list
> >>>>> and website. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand that the website itself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
> > functioning
> >>>>> anymore due to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems related to spam. At any rate, is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> latest
> > version of
> >>>>> Reaper, version
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.5, accessible for blind folks? It is
> > interesting to note
> >>>>> the difference
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in attitude between the developers of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper,
> > versus the
> >>>>> developers of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the free Audacity audio software, who have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> been very
> >>>>> conscientiously
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> integrating accessibility into the software.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for
> > any updates
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> information regarding Reaper accessibility.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Daveed Mandell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> RWP mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Home Phone: 928-554-3936 Mobile Phone:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370 Primary email:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> keithint1234 at gmail.com <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> RWP mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>> RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> GF
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Check me out on twitter
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>> RWP mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com
> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Keith Home Phone: 928-554-3936 Mobile Phone:
> >>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370 Primary email: keithint1234 at gmail.com
> <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
> >>>>>>>>>> mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> GF
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Check me out on twitter
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
> >>>>>>>>> mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
> >>>>>>>> mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> GF
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Check me out on twitter
> >>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
> >>>>>>> mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
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> >>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> GF
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Check me out on twitter http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
> >>>>>> list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
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> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> GF
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Check me out on twitter http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
> >>>>> list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
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> >>>>> http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
> >>>> list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
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