[RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
Scott Chesworth
scottchesworth at gmail.com
Wed Sep 11 21:18:21 EDT 2013
Just taking a stab in the dark here, but in Preferences/Automation,
there's a combobox entitled When adding volume/pan envelopes, apply
trim to envelope and reset trim:. Mine came set to always by default,
but there's an option for never.
Would that be the behaviour that Chris is shooting for?
Scott
On 9/12/13, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
> There are two ways to fix that. First, there is an action to write
> current track envelope from cursor to the end of the project, and there
> is another option somewhere in preferences (not enabled by default) that
> doesn't reset to the previous value after a new envelope is created.
> I'll be damned if I can remember what that's called now though.
> I actually do like the default behavior for some things, so I've left it
> there and use it in conjunction with the action I mentioned previously.
> It's an extra step, but for the types of stuff I edit, it makes more
> sense to do it that way most of the time.
> But yes, you can make this thing happen by default. Someone on this list
> mentioned how to do it some months back.
>
> On 9/11/2013 8:42 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> I could live with reaper's automation if they gave me an option to leave
>> things where the hell I left them instead of insisting on popping back
>> to original values.
>> I know some have said they like this, but I can't stand it 'grin'.
>> So when I become a paying member, that'll be the first thing I ask for
>> is a choice in this matter.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Patrick Perdue <mailto:patrick at pdaudio.net>
>> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>>
>> Well, if you have a control surface, you can do some automation
>> stuff.
>> Editing the envelopes after they exist... yeah, that's a problem. You
>> can do some really basic stuff with the keyboard, I.E. track/master
>> track level or master playrate change, which is all kinds of fun in
>> and
>> of itself. I've used a Korg Nanokontrol in some projects as both a
>> control surface and a basic button/knob box for controlling effect
>> parameters. You can definitely get the basics done, but any more than
>> that, and there are some huge gaps in what can be manipulated, as
>> there
>> is no way that I know of to edit automation envelopes from a keyboard
>> after they've been recorded. Easiest just to trash and redo your
>> automation event, sucky as that is.
>> I never figured out how to automate track sends, so I've worked
>> around
>> that by sending a folder to a track, sending that track to another
>> track
>> with effects on it, routing post-fader, then automating the track
>> that
>> is sent to the effects. Not at all efficient, and surely not
>> necessary
>> if you can see stuff.
>>
>> I most often do the split/item property change/overlap items thing
>> for
>> both panning and amplitude, because you can get very precise with it
>> and
>> it works. Unlike automation at present, you can non-destructively do
>> stuff about that once it's been implemented.
>>
>> On 9/11/2013 8:06 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> > Well, at least with item based editing in reaper, you don't mess
>> up
>> > anything. It bothers me that we have to split audio to do things,
>> > even though it works, and reaper's crossfades are very smooth,
>> it's
>> > still technically not cool to have to tear apart your audio just
>> to
>> > do a little automation. Or get around, in other words, to my
>> > engineer's head it's better to bend it than break it, even if you
>> can
>> > fix it prety good. Just in midi, this concept will work better,
>> > because it won't be necessary to cross-fade broken audio events.
>> It's
>> > just a matter of grouping then more than any physical changes to
>> the
>> > actual data. Item based midi editing, ok then , this will help,
>> the
>> > other shoe drops 'grin'.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David P Shortland
>> > <mailto:dragamilov at comcen.com.au> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers
>> > <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013
>> 5:55
>> > PM *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>> >
>> > Hi & Greetings from Down Under... Not as far as I have been abel
>> to
>> > discover.... It always seems to start at the beginning of the
>> Event
>> > List... You can use Page Up & Page Down keys to jump 7 events at a
>> > time... However, the work around that I do for this one is if I
>> need
>> > to edit something that is say 16 bars into a Item.... I just do a
>> > split just before the section I wish to edit and Voila when the
>> new
>> > Item is opened you are right there... The more I use REAPER ...
>> the
>> > more I am getting to know how this Item based Editing worx...
>> ...and
>> > liking it... It does not matter to me whether a Trak has One Item,
>> > several items or several thousand items,... at any given time you
>> can
>> > Glue all the Items together and each part retains what you have
>> > edited and you can start again... Also just as a quick mention,
>> which
>> > some of us may need to get our heads around, is the concept of not
>> > having a dedicated SubGroup area.... the flexibility that REAPER
>> > allows by being able to put anything anywhere and being able to
>> route
>> > anything to anywhere is simply in a word ... NICE!!! Anyway... on
>> > with the Editing... Kind regards David P Shortland DragonScore
>> > Productions *From:* Chris Belle <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> *Sent:*
>> > Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:17 AM *To:* Reapers Without Peepers
>> > <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com> *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper
>> Accessibility
>> > Query from New User Hey, I have done that but is there an easy way
>> to
>> > move between midi events? I mean you can move along the time line,
>> > but in sonar it jumps through all the extra time and immediately
>> goes
>> > to the next midi event. Or do you have to go to the exact place on
>> > the time like for each midi event? That was one thing killing me.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David P Shortland
>> > <mailto:dragamilov at comcen.com.au> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers
>> > <mailto:rwp at reaaccess.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013
>> 2:45
>> > PM *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User Hi
>> &
>> > Greetings again from Down Under
>> >
>> > Again, just a little addendum to Indy's post...
>> >
>> > Once you have selected the MIDI Item you wish to Edit Control plus
>> > Alt plus E opens the MIDI Editor...
>> >
>> > You only need to do this once but you need to go to the Options
>> Menu
>> > (I think) or it might be the View Menu...(apologies not sure
>> which)
>> >
>> > Select Event List...
>> >
>> > You can scroll up and down the Event List with the cursor keys
>> >
>> > When you want to Edit an Event Focus on it and press Control plus
>> F2
>> >
>> > This Opens the Event Item Dialog and yu can TAB around and change
>> > whatever you wish...
>> >
>> > No need to go to the Apply or OK buttons just hit Enter when you
>> > have finished your Edit...
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > David P Shortland DragonScore Productions
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- From: Indigo Sent: Wednesday, September
>> > 11, 2013 8:52 PM To: Reapers Without Peepers Subject: Re: [RWP]
>> > Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>> >
>> > I used those ancient midi sequencers in dos or on the Atari ST; ,
>> > like Voyettra Gold, Doctor T's Keyboard Midi Sequencer, all
>> totally
>> > accessible, just punching in numbers, then I did midi from
>> hardware
>> > sequencers, from Yamaha and the MMT8; then I edited midi from
>> Sonar
>> > versions 4, 6, 7 and 8.5.3, and to me all editing at the event
>> level
>> > is the most tedious, most boring thing I could imagine.
>> >
>> > I'd rather play in a passage a dozen times until I get it just
>> right
>> > than chase down a single midi event and type in number values.
>> But,
>> > for those who don't mind, I think Reaper's layout for getting at
>> > notes and every single note event possible at tab and arrow keys
>> > couldn't be more ideal. How could it be easier than having
>> everything
>> > neately labeled and laid out at the taband arrow keys; where you
>> can
>> > arrow to other note values, for instance, or type in different
>> > numbers for velocity, note length, pitch, program number, yada
>> yada
>> > yada? One thing to note is that; when finished with editing; you
>> > need to tab to apply, and then hit enter; but there can be another
>> > step that might or might not be required. At certain places, you
>> > might need to find an OK button that needs to be clicked; after
>> > pressing enter on Apply takes you back to the track view; so look
>> out
>> > for that one. If anyone is not hearing their changes of values
>> being
>> > applied to their music, go to your number pad and use your PC
>> cursor
>> > slash mouse pointer slash object navigation to find that OK
>> button,
>> > then left click it. I'll go search my collection and repost David
>> > Shortland's method of reaching the midi editor. By the way, since
>> > it's a different midi editor than the inline editor that Ivan's
>> > shortcut reached, maybe reaAccess is not doing anything to assist
>> > with access of David's midi editor, it's just screenreader
>> friendly
>> > because Reaper is written that way, using Microsoft standard menus
>> > and controls. Indi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/11/2013 4:51 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> >> I'm really not a MIDI type, but sure, a repost of David's
>> > steps is
>> >> bound to help someone.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, of course MIDI is MIDI is MIDI from DAW to DAW, but I'd
>> > wager
>> >> there would be neat little tips and tricks people use to speed up
>> >> editing which are specific to each one. Sometimes, just watching
>> >> someone else who's got a workflow down smashing through a
>> > task can be
>> >> quite inspiring.
>> >>
>> >> Scott
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9/11/13, Indigo <33indigo at charter.net
>> <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>
>> > <mailto:33indigo at charter.net>> wrote:
>> >>> I'll dig out and post the guide to bringing up the midi
>> > editor, David
>> >>> Shortland style, which is step-by-step to get inside the
>> > midi editor,
>> >>> right down to the event list for each note of your music
>> > along the
>> >>> timeline. Anyone who has the least experience with editing midi
>> >>> events
>> > in every
>> >>> sequencer or daw ever made should know that midi is midi;
>> > and it isn't
>> >>> different in a different daw. Each event is clearly labeled in
>> >>> Reaper, in plain English,
>> > and if you
>> >>> want to shorten or lengthen a note length, or move the note
>> > up or down a
>> >>> list of chromatic notes, or shift it to another octave, or
>> > alter its
>> >>> velocity number, or move the note's position on the
>> > timeline, or a
>> >>> thousand other editing details; duh, what's so hard about
>> > that to figure
>> >>> out? So, it's laid out differently from Voyettra Gold, or Sonar,
>> > or ProTools,
>> >>> don't we all expect that? It's good for the health of our brain
>> >>> cells to exercise
>> > them, otherwise
>> >>> we get to be an old dog that can't learn new tricks. When all
>> >>> note events are clearly labeled, all laid out very
>> > conveniently
>> >>> at the tab keys, with edit fields at the arrow keys, what
>> > more could
>> >>> anyone ever hope for in access from a screenreader? Indi
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/10/2013 8:15 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> >>>> I've dropped Roy a line to see whether he'd have time to
>> > share some
>> >>>> wisdom. Just hit on the idea of spending a bit of time
>> > hanging out
>> >>>> with each of the people on here that are using Reaper to do
>> > cool
>> >>>> stuff, whatever their stuff may be. I'd interview them and
>> > record a
>> >>>> bit of them in action for an hour at most, then handle all
>> > the boring
>> >>>> editing uploading headache stuff so they don't have too.
>> > Seems like if
>> >>>> enough people are keen to be featured it'd make a neat
>> > little podcast
>> >>>> series. I could justify putting the time into it seeing as
>> > I'd no
>> >>>> doubt learn a bunch of stuff along the way.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Let's see what happens. First time I've been excited about
>> > Reaper in a
>> >>>> while, so I hope the response from Roy is positive so I can
>> > strike
>> >>>> while the iron is hot here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Scott
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 9/11/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> > <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Roy seems to have a leg up on some of the things we don't,
>> > bet he'd
>> >>>>> help out if we approached him with a few clams.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions To:
>> >>>>> Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013
>> >>>>> 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from
>> >>>>> New
>> > User
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ah, well that is a hole new animal… I can do some of it,
>> > but I
>> >>>>> would like to better edit stuff. Is there a person doing
>> >>>>> this
>> > already? Are they
>> >>>>> giving lessons? lol
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:16 PM, "Chris Belle"
>> > <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I mean doing detailed editing and such.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Are you down with that, I can load up and play midi
>> > and such,
>> >>>>> but detailed editing and nudging notes and doing transforms
>> >>>>> or
>> > search and
>> >>>>> replace like the interpolate dialogue in sonar, that sort
>> > of stuff.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions
>> >>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
>> >>>>>> 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query
>> >>>>>> from
>> > New User
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I use midi all the time with reaper… That's why I have been
>> >>>>>> all over poise, that's one
>> > less piece of
>> >>>>> hardware that I have to hook up to the mixer. Now I can leave
>> >>>>> my
>> > npc at the
>> >>>>> church. lol.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Chris Belle"
>> > <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> yeh, reaper isn't where sonar is but definitely useable,
>> >>>>>>> especially with straight audio.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We're all gonna have to flip Roy a few sheckles
>> > and get him to
>> >>>>> show us how he does midi with reaper,
>> >>>>>>> I just ain't figured it out yet.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I mean I can do basics load a osft synth and hit
>> > the midi
>> >>>>> editor,
>> >>>>>>> and see some events and such, but it ain't
>> > anything like sonar
>> >>>>> and there are no docs,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We desperately need some serious docs shoing how to do
>> >>>>> everything.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions
>> >>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
>> >>>>>>> 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
>> >>>>>>> Query from
>> > New User
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That's exactly where I was going with that. lol. I
>> > use reaper,
>> >>>>> hell, like I said in my last message, I paid for it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:25 PM, "Chris Belle"
>> >>>>> <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> <mailto:cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I think GF was being humorous.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I took it that way anyhow.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Kind of how we get the shaft and the end of the
>> > line
>> >>>>> everywhere in the world and have to fight like dogs to not
>> >>>>> get left out,
>> >>>>>>>> but you know how it works in this world, money
>> > talks and
>> >>>>> bullshit walks.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If there were 20 million blind reaper users
>> > ready to buy
>> >>>>> access would be here next week 'grin'.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> For now we just have to cowboy up and do the
>> > best we can.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Chesworth To:
>> >>>>>>>> Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
>> >>>>>>>> 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
>> >>>>>>>> Query
>> > from New User
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Couple of points to keep in mind before you dig
>> > too deep into
>> >>>>> slating
>> >>>>>>>> the Reaper developers in public...
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> They are aware that a visually impaired userbase
>> > exists, and
>> >>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>> gradually been exposing GUI elements over time. If
>> > you need
>> >>>>> proof of
>> >>>>>>>> that, do some mousing around in Reaper on PC and
>> > see how much
>> >>>>> NVDA
>> >>>>>>>> tells you, or compare how much is visible with
>> > VoiceOver on
>> >>>>> Mac now
>> >>>>>>>> against a version from a couple years back. API
>> > bugs that
>> >>>>> impacted
>> >>>>>>>> upon ReaAccess were fixed, and there have been a
>> > couple of
>> >>>>> instances
>> >>>>>>>> where accessibility gets a mention in the
>> > changelogs. A
>> >>>>> couple of
>> >>>>>>>> people with decent track records of getting stuff
>> > done are in
>> >>>>> contact
>> >>>>>>>> with Justin the lead developer, all be it
>> >>>>>>>> sporadically.
>> >>>>> They're not
>> >>>>>>>> shouting from the rooftops about that, but when
>> > the progress
>> >>>>> comes, it
>> >>>>>>>> happens in fits and starts and has been largely due
>> > to nudges
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> guidance from these key people. I think it's fair to
>> > say that
>> >>>>> Cockos
>> >>>>>>>> have demonstrated that they're happy to help, but
>> > they need
>> >>>>> guidance
>> >>>>>>>> and it needs to fit around their existing
>> > roadmap. I think
>> >>>>> it's pretty
>> >>>>>>>> unfair to say we've been shafted. If you must find a
>> > home for
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> accusation, Ivan's your man. Tell him who sent you
>> >>>>>>>> lol.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Is the future certain? No. Then again, are their
>> > other DAW
>> >>>>> developers
>> >>>>>>>> showing markedly less interest? You betcha.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Nice idea re the NVDA team. Last time I
>> > approached Jamie
>> >>>>> about Reaper
>> >>>>>>>> he was up to his ears in Sonar as his pet project,
>> > but who
>> >>>>> knows,
>> >>>>>>>> someone else might have better luck catching him at
>> > the right
>> >>>>> time.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Scott
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions
>> > <goldfingas at gmail.com <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Glad I could brighten your day with that one. lol.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Keith Hinton
>> >>>>> <keithint1234 at gmail.com <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Muhahahahahahahhahaha! Cock OS! Oh dear! LOL
>> > Okay, I'll
>> >>>>> stop laughing
>> >>>>>>>>>> now. But yeah, I think we've got it for sure.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions
>> > <goldfingas at gmail.com <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:goldfingas at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Remember folks, the developers of reaper
>> > call them selves
>> >>>>> "cockos." If
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you break that down, it spells "cock OS." lol. I
>> > think we got
>> >>>>> the shaft on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> this one.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Keith Hinton
>> >>>>> <keithint1234 at gmail.com <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can tel you, despite being new myself,
>> > that yes,
>> >>>>> ReaAccess has
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> always been (basicly) the accessibility
>> > pathway for
>> >>>>> screen readers to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> interface to Reaper. The development has die
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> out-last update was
>> > in 2010.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A few folks have been able to use Reaper 4
>> > with
>> >>>>> ReaAccess just
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fine-looking up workarounds for things etc,
>> > but as I
>> >>>>> understand it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> your largely on your own with Reaper anyways.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Without ReaAccess, I do not believe any native
>> >>>>> accessibility exists in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper itself. However, again, I could be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> utterly wrong. If others could reply to this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> new users
>> > question as
>> >>>>> well, that might
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> help-but I believe I've answered it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Daveed Mandell
>> > <daveedm at sbcglobal.net <mailto:daveedm at sbcglobal.net>
>> <mailto:daveedm at sbcglobal.net>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of Reaper accessibility
>> > right now? I
>> >>>>> understand
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Reaper's developers have shown little
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>> > no interest in
>> >>>>> making the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> software accessible, and that accessibility
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has been
>> > provided
>> >>>>> through a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> separate bridfe produced by blind people
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> working from
>> > this list
>> >>>>> and website. I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand that the website itself
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>> > functioning
>> >>>>> anymore due to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems related to spam. At any rate, is the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> latest
>> > version of
>> >>>>> Reaper, version
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.5, accessible for blind folks? It is
>> > interesting to note
>> >>>>> the difference
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in attitude between the developers of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper,
>> > versus the
>> >>>>> developers of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the free Audacity audio software, who have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> been very
>> >>>>> conscientiously
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> integrating accessibility into the software.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for
>> > any updates
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> information regarding Reaper accessibility.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Daveed Mandell
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> RWP mailing list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Home Phone: 928-554-3936 Mobile Phone:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370 Primary email:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keithint1234 at gmail.com <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> RWP mailing list
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>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> GF
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Check me out on twitter
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>> RWP mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com
>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Keith Home Phone: 928-554-3936 Mobile Phone:
>> >>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370 Primary email: keithint1234 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
>> >>>>>>>>>> mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> GF
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Check me out on twitter
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
>> >>>>>>>>> mailing list RWP at reaaccess.com <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > http://reaaccess.com/mailman/listinfo/rwp_reaaccess.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
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>> >>>>>>>> <mailto:RWP at reaaccess.com>
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>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> GF
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Check me out on twitter
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>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP
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>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> GF
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Check me out on twitter http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
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>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> GF
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Check me out on twitter http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ RWP mailing
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