[RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User

Goldfinga Productions goldfingas at gmail.com
Wed Sep 11 12:56:32 EDT 2013 

Im down for doing some stuff on poise and using external controllers. 
On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've dropped Roy a line to see whether he'd have time to share some
> wisdom. Just hit on the idea of spending a bit of time hanging out
> with each of the people on here that are using Reaper to do cool
> stuff, whatever their stuff may be. I'd interview them and record a
> bit of them in action for an hour at most, then handle all the boring
> editing uploading headache stuff so they don't have too. Seems like if
> enough people are keen to be featured it'd make a neat little podcast
> series. I could justify putting the time into it seeing as I'd no
> doubt learn a bunch of stuff along the way.
> 
> Let's see what happens. First time I've been excited about Reaper in a
> while, so I hope the response from Roy is positive so I can strike
> while the iron is hot here.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 9/11/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Roy seems to have a leg up on some of the things we don't, bet he'd help out
>> if we approached him with a few clams.
>> 
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Goldfinga Productions
>>  To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:28 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>> 
>> 
>>  ah, well that is a hole new animal… I can do some of it, but I would like
>> to better edit stuff. Is there a person doing this already? Are they giving
>> lessons? lol
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:16 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I mean doing detailed editing and such.
>>> 
>>> Are you down  with that, I can load up and play midi and such, but
>> detailed editing and nudging notes and doing transforms or search and
>> replace like the interpolate dialogue in sonar, that sort of stuff.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Goldfinga Productions
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>>> 
>>> I use midi all the time with reaper…
>>> That's why I have been all over poise, that's one less piece of hardware
>> that I have to hook up to the mixer. Now I can leave my npc at the church.
>> lol.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> yeh, reaper
>>>> isn't where sonar is but definitely useable,
>>>> especially with straight audio.
>>>> 
>>>> We're all gonna have to flip Roy a few sheckles and get him to show us
>> how he does midi with reaper,
>>>> I just ain't figured it out yet.
>>>> 
>>>> I mean I can do basics load a osft synth and hit the midi editor,
>>>> and see some events and such, but it ain't anything like sonar and
>> there are no docs,
>>>> 
>>>> We desperately need some serious docs shoing how to do everything.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Goldfinga Productions
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>>>> 
>>>> That's exactly where I was going with that. lol. I use reaper, hell,
>> like I said in my last message, I paid for it.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:25 PM, "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think GF was being humorous.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I took it that way anyhow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind of how we get the shaft and the end of the line everywhere in
>> the world and have to fight like dogs to not get left out,
>>>>> but you know how it works in this world, money talks and bullshit
>> walks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If there were 20 million blind reaper users ready to buy access
>> would be here next week 'grin'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For now we just have to cowboy up and do the best we can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Scott Chesworth
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User
>>>>> 
>>>>> Couple of points to keep in mind before you dig too deep into
>> slating
>>>>> the Reaper developers in public...
>>>>> 
>>>>> They are aware that a visually impaired userbase exists, and have
>>>>> gradually been exposing GUI elements over time. If you need proof
>> of
>>>>> that, do some mousing around in Reaper on PC and see how much NVDA
>>>>> tells you, or compare how much is visible with VoiceOver on Mac now
>>>>> against a version from a couple years back. API bugs that impacted
>>>>> upon ReaAccess were fixed, and there have been a couple of
>> instances
>>>>> where accessibility gets a mention in the changelogs. A couple of
>>>>> people with decent track records of getting stuff done are in
>> contact
>>>>> with Justin the lead developer, all be it sporadically. They're not
>>>>> shouting from the rooftops about that, but when the progress comes,
>> it
>>>>> happens in fits and starts and has been largely due to nudges and
>>>>> guidance from these key people. I think it's fair to say that
>> Cockos
>>>>> have demonstrated that they're happy to help, but they need
>> guidance
>>>>> and it needs to fit around their existing roadmap. I think it's
>> pretty
>>>>> unfair to say we've been shafted. If you must find a home for that
>>>>> accusation, Ivan's your man. Tell him who sent you lol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the future certain? No. Then again, are their other DAW
>> developers
>>>>> showing markedly less interest? You betcha.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nice idea re the NVDA team. Last time I approached Jamie about
>> Reaper
>>>>> he was up to his ears in Sonar as his pet project, but who knows,
>>>>> someone else might have better luck catching him at the right time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Glad I could brighten your day with that one. lol.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Keith Hinton <keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Muhahahahahahahhahaha! Cock OS! Oh dear! LOL Okay, I'll stop
>> laughing
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>> But yeah, I think we've got it for sure.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Remember folks, the developers of reaper call them selves
>> "cockos." If
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> break that down, it spells "cock OS." lol. I think we got the
>> shaft on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Keith Hinton
>> <keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I can tel you, despite being new myself, that yes, ReaAccess
>> has
>>>>>>>>> always been (basicly) the accessibility pathway for screen
>> readers to
>>>>>>>>> interface to Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> The development has die out-last update was in 2010.
>>>>>>>>> A few folks have been able to use Reaper 4 with ReaAccess just
>>>>>>>>> fine-looking up workarounds for things etc, but as I understand
>> it
>>>>>>>>> your largely on your own with Reaper anyways.
>>>>>>>>> Without ReaAccess, I do not believe any native accessibility
>> exists in
>>>>>>>>> Reaper itself.
>>>>>>>>> However, again, I could be utterly wrong.
>>>>>>>>> If others could reply to this new users question as well, that
>> might
>>>>>>>>> help-but I believe I've answered it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Daveed Mandell <daveedm at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of Reaper accessibility right now? I
>> understand
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> Reaper's developers have shown little or no interest in making
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>> accessible, and that accessibility has been provided through
>> a
>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>> bridfe produced by blind people working from this list and
>> website. I
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> understand that the website itself isn't functioning anymore
>> due to
>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>> related to spam. At any rate, is the latest version of Reaper,
>> version
>>>>>>>>>> 4.5,
>>>>>>>>>> accessible for blind folks? It is interesting to note the
>> difference
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> attitude between the developers of Reaper, versus the
>> developers of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>>> Audacity audio software, who have been very conscientiously
>>>>>>>>>> integrating
>>>>>>>>>> accessibility into the software. Thanks for any updates and
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>> regarding Reaper accessibility.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Daveed Mandell
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>>> Home Phone:
>>>>>>>>> 928-554-3936
>>>>>>>>> Mobile Phone:
>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370
>>>>>>>>> Primary email:
>>>>>>>>> keithint1234 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>> Home Phone:
>>>>>>> 928-554-3936
>>>>>>> Mobile Phone:
>>>>>>> 928-713-6370
>>>>>>> Primary email:
>>>>>>> keithint1234 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> GF
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