[RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New User

Tue Sep 10 14:50:43 EDT 2013

I don't know if anyone remembers,...but "Mike Calvo" the C.E.O. of 
"System Access" was very interested in doing something with reaper, and 
"System Access",...As it went,..."Ivan" didn't give him the time of 
day,...but, on the other hand,...the people from "Cockos" where 
interested in working with him on making reaper more accessible...

After dealing with "Ivan", I kind of think that "Mike" got turned off a 
bout the project,...I could be wrong on my assumption, but that is the 
vibe I got...

I just think that it is possible to do what we want, and need with 
reaper,...We just shouldn't give up!...

It sure would be great if the top people in the "AT" industry could 
indeed work with "Cockos" to make a solid, easy to use product for the 
blind community...
I personally believe it will be done,...it's just a matter of time, and 
persistance...

Original message:
> BTW one thing that i'd like to add is that last time i  was talking to
> cockos devs, they were saying:

> "What should we do to give you more accessibility. tell us what exactly
> you need and we'll see into it"
> it was a reply to me as i said "please make reaper more accessible"...lol
> On 9/10/2013 10:40 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Couple of points to keep in mind before you dig too deep into slating
>> the Reaper developers in public...

>> They are aware that a visually impaired userbase exists, and have
>> gradually been exposing GUI elements over time. If you need proof of
>> that, do some mousing around in Reaper on PC and see how much NVDA
>> tells you, or compare how much is visible with VoiceOver on Mac now
>> against a version from a couple years back. API bugs that impacted
>> upon ReaAccess were fixed, and there have been a couple of instances
>> where accessibility gets a mention in the changelogs. A couple of
>> people with decent track records of getting stuff done are in contact
>> with Justin the lead developer, all be it sporadically. They're not
>> shouting from the rooftops about that, but when the progress comes, it
>> happens in fits and starts and has been largely due to nudges and
>> guidance from these key people. I think it's fair to say that Cockos
>> have demonstrated that they're happy to help, but they need guidance
>> and it needs to fit around their existing roadmap. I think it's pretty
>> unfair to say we've been shafted. If you must find a home for that
>> accusation, Ivan's your man. Tell him who sent you lol.

>> Is the future certain? No. Then again, are their other DAW developers
>> showing markedly less interest? You betcha.

>> Nice idea re the NVDA team. Last time I approached Jamie about Reaper
>> he was up to his ears in Sonar as his pet project, but who knows,
>> someone else might have better luck catching him at the right time.

>> Scott

>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Glad I could brighten your day with that one. lol.

>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Keith Hinton <keithint1234 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Muhahahahahahahhahaha! Cock OS! Oh dear! LOL Okay, I'll stop laughing
>>>> now.
>>>> But yeah, I think we've got it for sure.

>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Remember folks, the developers of reaper call them selves "cockos." If
>>>>> you
>>>>> break that down, it spells "cock OS." lol. I think we got the shaft on
>>>>> this
>>>>> one.

>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Keith Hinton <keithint1234 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> I can tel you, despite being new myself, that yes, ReaAccess has
>>>>>> always been (basicly) the accessibility pathway for screen readers to
>>>>>> interface to Reaper.
>>>>>> The development has die out-last update was in 2010.
>>>>>> A few folks have been able to use Reaper 4 with ReaAccess just
>>>>>> fine-looking up workarounds for things etc, but as I understand it
>>>>>> your largely on your own with Reaper anyways.
>>>>>> Without ReaAccess, I do not believe any native accessibility exists in
>>>>>> Reaper itself.
>>>>>> However, again, I could be utterly wrong.
>>>>>> If others could reply to this new users question as well, that might
>>>>>> help-but I believe I've answered it.

>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Daveed Mandell <daveedm at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello:

>>>>>>> What is the status of Reaper accessibility right now? I understand
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Reaper's developers have shown little or no interest in making the
>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>> accessible, and that accessibility has been provided through a
>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>> bridfe produced by blind people working from this list and website. I
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> understand that the website itself isn't functioning anymore due to
>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>> related to spam. At any rate, is the latest version of Reaper, version
>>>>>>> 4.5,
>>>>>>> accessible for blind folks? It is interesting to note the difference
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> attitude between the developers of Reaper, versus the developers of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>> Audacity audio software, who have been very conscientiously
>>>>>>> integrating
>>>>>>> accessibility into the software. Thanks for any updates and
>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>> regarding Reaper accessibility.

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>> Daveed Mandell

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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sincerely,

>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>> Home Phone:
>>>>>> 928-554-3936
>>>>>> Mobile Phone:
>>>>>> 928-713-6370
>>>>>> Primary email:
>>>>>> keithint1234 at gmail.com

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>>>>> GF

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>>>> --
>>>> Sincerely,

>>>> Keith
>>>> Home Phone:
>>>> 928-554-3936
>>>> Mobile Phone:
>>>> 928-713-6370
>>>> Primary email:
>>>> keithint1234 at gmail.com

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>>> GF

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