[RWP] Looping
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Thu Sep 5 12:58:34 EDT 2013
Indeed, most of what I get is the traditional recording thing, but looping and looped based music has become more a presence need in modern production environments,
I do get some electronic and rap stuff in here so it's not wasted for sure.
I also like to build instruments from time to time,
using the ever trusty sfz, such a sweet sample creation format, and looping samples correctly is called for there sometimes.
It's lots of fun.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Chesworth
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Looping
Oh I'm tinkering with this more in the name of cutting down the amount
of button bashing I have to do when I'm practicing bass, because
sometimes it's nice to groove along to actual drums instead of a
click, or to have a few chord sequences strung together and force
myself to cook up melodic lines that link progressions on the spot.
I've been building little structures by pasting for now, and there's
nothing wrong with that I guess, but more efficiency wouldn't be a bad
thing. Pretty rare that I get to do proper work on anything loopy tbh.
Might not always be the case though, so it'd be good to know I've got
a system down.
Scott
On 9/5/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Yes Scott, consistancy and work flow matter very much in a production
> environment.
>
> My hat's off to guys like you who've been able to
> make reaper work well enough to get real work done, I'm not brave enough yet
> to try and run a session with it.
>
> But it's a whizz bang post production audio editor for sure.
>
> We'll keep slogging away at it over here.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Chesworth
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Looping
>
>
> I just tried this by importing drum loops from a couple of libraries
> and formats at random (yup, scientific methodology is alive and well).
> Even with files that have meta data imbedded, it wasn't working for
> me. Then I undid a few changes and hey presto, all of a sudden it
> started working! I exported a homemade loop of some drums I tracked
> earlier this week with the project tempo imbedded, and got the same
> behaviour in that it works seemingly at random but there's always some
> level of undoing involved before it will. Can't get a consistent
> pattern yet.
>
> Even by Reaper's standards, this is getting proper weird! On the one
> hand, I guess it doesn't matter. On the other, it matters to me very
> very much lol.
>
> Scott
>
> On 9/5/13, TheOreoMonster <monkeypusher69 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The issue here isn't DAW versions,screen reader or anything like that.
> Its a
> > misunderstanding in the term loop. When DAW's refer to loop, its
> referring
> > to a file that has meta data in it identifying it to the DAW as a loop.
> Just
> > cuz a piece of audio is 4 Bars and in sync with the project tempo,
> doesn't
> > change the fact that it's a 4 bar piece of audio that just happens to be
> at
> > the project tempo. You will have to *mark* it as a loop in order for
> the
> > changining the number of bars trick in its properties to work. This and
> the
> > loop item check box will not work unless you first *convert* that piece
> of
> > audio to a*loop*. SInce reaper supports Acidized wav or rex files
> (both
> > common 3rd party loop standards) if you have access to a library of
> these
> > files import one of these into a reaper project and I bet the trick
> Indie
> > pointed out would work. Reaper has a way to create loop files so that
> it
> > will conform to tempo and this loop trick will work. Unfortunately I
> don't
> > remember how to do this off hand but the reaper manual explains this and
> its
> > doable with a screen reader has i have done it in the past on both mac
> and
> > pc versions of Reaper. So yeah for just having apiece repeat a few
> times,
> > copying and pasting may be quicker. The advantage however of converting
> it
> > to a loop first however, means you can change tempo or etc and the
> loops
> > will playback at the new tempo. Great for remixing or other production
> work,
> > or hell if you want to see how a song will sound if the band played it
> a
> > little faster or slower. Hope this helps and i was clear enough. Any
> > questions , let me know.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmm, no idea to be honest man. When I tried this workflow and it
> >> didn't work last time, I assumed it was because the source media
> >> wasn't recorded in that session so Reaper didn't have so much of a
> >> handle on it, but thinking about it, that's probably a dumb thing to
> >> think. Anyway, I just tried it again to build a trailing vocal delay,
> >> and it didn't work here. I can tell that Reaper is extending the item
> >> length by the right amount, but the audio itself isn't looping, so the
> >> extention of length is just silence. The loop source checkbox is
> >> checked in item properties.
> >>
> >> Anyone know where we're going wrong with this?
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> On 9/1/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> This was an imported file I had split in to a few items.
> >>>
> >>> Just for gins, I did some manual de-essing by splitting out the
> >>> sibalance
> >>> parts of words, and lowering item volumes,
> >>> on the offending parts, I had that handy so I selected one of the
> items
> >>> with
> >>> control right or left arrows and pressed enter
> >>> and tabbed through item properties till I got to the beat and time
> >>> settings
> >>> and such, and
> >>> lengthened
> >>> the time, and all it did was cause the volumes of the items down
> stream
> >>> from
> >>> the item I was working on to be messed up,
> >>> like caused a jerk in the amplitude,
> >>> so something is definitely going on, but no looping.
> >>> /But when I copy an item and paste it right next to it,
> >>> it repeats or loops just fine.
> >>>
> >>> But it'd be nice to hear a loop so you can see if you got it right,
> like
> >>> when processing a beat or some such.
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Scott Chesworth
> >>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 2:24 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Looping
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chris,
> >>>
> >>> Was the source material you're trying to loop recorded in the same
> >>> Reaper session? I've got a feeling that makes a difference to
> whether
> >>> Indie's workflow will work.
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> On 9/1/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> I've seen this posted several times but it never works that way for
> me.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I change to beats and make the number larger in an item on a
> >>>> track,
> >>> and
> >>>> even nudged down it only seems to change the envelope or volume of
> the
> >>> items
> >>>> after the item I changed, but not make the item longer.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've tried this with ripple both on and off.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only way I can loop so far is copying an item and pasting it at
> the
> >>> end
> >>>> the number of times I want, so it doubles.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's probably a better way to do this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Indigo
> >>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 2:03 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Looping
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You can loop an item in Reaper by first making sure the item is
> >>> exactly
> >>>> an even length, like 1, 2 or 4 measures, the most common loop
> >>> lengths;
> >>>> because if it is a fractional length; like 2.0.1 it will drift out
> >>> of
> >>>> sync with the rest of the music as it loops.
> >>>> Okay, say you have a 2 measure item to loop, select the item with
> >>>> shift+A or ctrl+right arrow.
> >>>> Then go to Item Properties; select to display the item length in
> >>> beats.
> >>>> Then multiply the item's length by a multiple; which will cause the
> >>> item
> >>>> to loop that many times.
> >>>> For instance, if the selected item is 2 measures in length,
> multiply
> >>> its
> >>>> length shown in the length field by 10 and the item will loop 10
> >>> times.
> >>>> You simply enter a new item length in the length field; then tab
> down
> >>> to
> >>>> OK or whatever the confirmation is; hit enter.
> >>>> It will occupy the new length on the time line, with the original 2
> >>>> measure item repeated 10 times.
> >>>> Turn ctrl+R off, you don't need it to loop the item now.
> >>>> The standard method to loop an item for sighted users is to grab
> the
> >>>> right end of the selected item with the mouse and stretch its
> length
> >>>> out; like stretching a rubber band; to the desired amount.
> >>>> This item length multiplication method in Item Properties does
> >>> exactly
> >>>> the same thing.
> >>>> Indi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/31/2013 1:53 PM, adriandavids404 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Gold Fingers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I normally loop an item by setting repeat on with Control plus R.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not sure about loop recording as I haven't explored it yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope I could have been of some help.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Adrian
> >>>>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Goldfinga Productions <goldfingas at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sender: "RWP" <rwp-bounces at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:12:44
> >>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers<rwp at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>> Reply-To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> >>>>> Subject: [RWP] Looping
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How does one go about properly looping a section? I have
> highlighted
> >>> the
> >>>> item that I would like to loop, I also turn on loop but it still
> >>> doesn't
> >>>> loop.
> >>>>> What other steps are necessary to loop an item?
> >>>>> And can you have one track looping while you record on another?
> Kind
> >>> of
> >>>> like a drum machine?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> GF
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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