[RWP] good computer for recording?
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Oct 16 20:49:11 EDT 2013
Hey, that's cool, will have to check that out.
I like aud.
----- Original Message -----
From: yRylan Vroom
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] good computer for recording?
Well, it turns out you can get ASIO support in audasity, you just have
to steal part of Steinburg's SDK and compile audasity yourself.
Personally, I'm waiting for midi control to be implemented. I've got a
Behringer BCF2000 that'd work spendledly with aud
On 10/11/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> OH good, hey if your just doing that sort of stuff, any old box will do.
>
> I don't even bother with asio when doing two track editing with soundforge,
> and am still using an older version for accessibility sake.
>
> I just didn't want newbies getting the wrong idea, I didn't want to
> disrespect your thoughts, just have been through this and seen many folks
> get burned by wrong ideas of what it takes to do daw stuff, and since I
> teach this stuff, it's sort of a religion with me 'grin'.
>
> I didn't really understand it till a few years ago,
> but it's not about power so much as when the power is available.
>
> It seems so counter intuitive that a really powerful machine with lots of
> ram could perform badly and be beat out by a lesser but well appointed
> machine, but I've seen it with my own eyes, or rather heard it with my own
> ears too many times.
>
> Well, happy producing.
>
> A lot of radio guys use audacity.
>
> That little daw has come a long way, I hope they eventually implement asio
> in to it.
>
> It'll be a really good choice then for audio only stuff.
> not just for real time fx, but for lining up tracks properly with timing and
> such.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: yRylan Vroom
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] good computer for recording?
>
>
> Haha true enough Chris, I don't actually use any real time effects at
> this point. My tallents lie more with audio production for radio and I
> haven't run into any lag issues doing that yet. Heck, maybe I got
> really lucky with my crappy box. :) I read up on the latency issues
> surrounding the windows kernel and will keep it in mind if I ever
> start up a recording business. cheers
>
> Rylan
>
> On 10/9/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I used to think that but I learned better.
> >
> > If you've not learned about dpc latency and just how windows works, you
> can
> > make a costly mistake.
> >
> > Go read up on defered protocol, and read the tons of messages on forums
> > about crackling audio and drop-outs, etc.
> >
> > There are fine machines out there which can eat the hottest games for
> > breakfast but will suck on audio because the dpc latency is too high.
> >
> > Think of this senario.
> >
> > YOu have a big truck that comes by one a day, that's your computer.
> > or processor.
> >
> > You have your hard-drives, interface,
> > peripherals and such they all need attending to in a timely manner.
> > Let's call them the little delivery trucks that bring packages to the
> big
> > truck your computer.
> >
> > Now what if the big truck quit coming by once a day, but only every
> other
> > day?
> >
> > YOur packages would pile up.
> >
> > That's exactly what happens when you get audio drop-outs, or you can't
> load
> > very many plug-ins with out having to turn your latency way up on your
> > interface, or any number of things.
> >
> > If your dpc latency on your computer is higher than say 100, you will
> have
> > problems.
> >
> > Average is around 30,
> > my new daw runs in the teens,
> > I had a student who got impatient
> > and had his computer fixed by some local guy, and they didn't turn off
> hpet
> > and do other tweaks in the bios and even though the machine was
> originally
> > configured as a daw, it did not perform well,
> > so you need the right parts, as well as the right settings,
> > specific motherboards will do well as a daw while others will suck.
> >
> > Certain settings in the bios are not available on certain motherboards,
> > you might have issues with firewire chips, so it's not enough to say
> hey,
> > just get an asio sound card and your golden, maybe if you have a mac
> you
> > can, because
> > it get's the blessing of one kind of hardware combo, and also apple's os
> is
> > closer to a real time os than winblows, but don't count on great
> performance
> > running a mac system on the windows side,
> > with an immulated bios you can't tweak.
> >
> > ON the apple side, you don't have to deal with dpc latency, it's not
> the
> > same deal with a unix based os.
> >
> > but with windows, everything low level has to ask for permission in the
> > kernel, and if it has to wait too long, then the whole house of cards
> comes
> > down.
> >
> > YOu might get lucky and get a machine which has low enough dpc latency
> where
> > you can get some work done, but too many of us even old time cats
> who've
> > been doing this for ever have made the sad mistake of buying an off the
> > shelf laptop hoping to use it for audio, only to find out oh no, it
> won't
> > handle it.
> >
> > I will concede the point that as computers get more powerful,
> > the margin for error get's bigger, but if you want performance for a
> daw,
> > that error is still pretty slim.
> >
> > YOu won't notice it just doing plain audio recording and not using lots
> of
> > real time fx, if you are doing that, then just go ahead and use any old
> > machine for basic tracking, but if you want to run real time fx, guitar
> > chains, and drum modules that you can play with your asio card set to a
> nice
> > low latency, and not have to bother freezing tracks all the time and
> such,
> > then go get a daw built.
> >
> > Save your best buy computer for skype and emailing your grandma, and
> your
> > mp3 punk rock library 'grin'.
> >
> > I'm here to tell ya, I bought lots of machines, went to custom shops
> even,
> > but getting a purpose built daw is the difference between riding on the
> > garbage truck, and going first class in a portche.
> >
> > Because you see, it's not about the power, or ram or drives, though
> that
> > plays a part, ok, even if you get your fast ssd, what good is it if the
> > drives are waiting on the processor which is hung up on that errant
> video
> > driver you don't know about from that Chinese company,
> > written by that first year computer programmer student,
> > but your daw maker knows that the driver that came out last year is a
> better
> > match and won't spike the dpc latency.
> >
> > If and when you find out and correct it, think how many hours you lost.
> > and how many hit song ideas went away.
> >
> > Man, that's wort 5 bills to me for sure.
> >
> > So don't believe me, go out buy a cheap machine and if you get lucky,
> call
> > old Chris a liar, but if it doesn't work and you have issues and are
> right
> > back here asking us how to solve an impossible problem remember old
> Chris
> > told ya so.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: yRylan Vroom
> > To: Reapers Without Peepers
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 3:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RWP] good computer for recording?
> >
> >
> > It all depends on your pariferals these days. A good computer is less
> > important than an ASIO equipped soundcard and whatever other midi
> > equipment you use. I for one am using a crappy Acer throwaway box I
> > got at bestbuy for $500, 12 gb of ram, quad core amd Processor, no
> GPU
> > to speak of, but it gets the job done. I do notice that after loading
> > 10 or so VST's it gets a smidge laggy when you play a project, but
> > that's about it. HTH
> >
> > Rylan
> >
> > On 10/8/13, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > Go see Jim Roseberry at
> > > studiocat.com
> > >
> > > He builds the best daws in the us, for the best price, and you can
> get
> > in to
> > > a very mice machine that won't frustrate you for much less than you
> > might
> > > think.
> > >
> > > His project studio daw starts at a thousand.
> > >
> > > Don't get some bargain machine at tigerdirect or what-ever, you'll
> be
> > > sorry.
> > >
> > > You'll have high dpc latencies, and other compatibility issues,
> these
> > guys
> > > are fine for gamers or office machines, but for a daw, do it up
> right
> > you'll
> > > be glad you did.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Matt Turner
> > > To: reaper
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:04 PM
> > > Subject: [RWP] good computer for recording?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hay there, folks.
> > > i am looking into getting a computer, that will be used mainly
> just
> > for
> > > recording.
> > > I am not sure what i should get, as there are all kinds of
> computers
> > > ranging from 799$, and higher.
> > > I wood like a laptop, but i've heard there' not good for
> recording.
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
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