[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Jim Snowbarger Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com
Mon Oct 14 22:30:42 EDT 2013 

No, I think each send has it's own delete button off to the
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x


> My mistake. Still, though--and you may have already answered this as 
> well--how do you select the send you want to delete? My understanding is 
> you can only delete the most recently added send.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>
>
>> Just one thing. You don't need to route cursors and whatnot to delete
>> sends from the I/O window, just use Shift+Space instead of plain old
>> Space on the delete button for each send. Using the tab order instead
>> of a menu does add up to being a few more buttons to push than 3.78,
>> but if you like non screen reader specific workflows that's probably
>> the way to get it done for now.
>>
>> Think I posted that earlier in the thread, meant to anyway. Maybe it got 
>> missed.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>>>
>>> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the 
>>> following:
>>>
>>> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two 
>>> seconds it
>>>
>>> will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo, which is 
>>> of
>>>
>>> course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to like
>>> settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around; it's 
>>> not
>>> intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without 
>>> realizing
>>> what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow up 
>>> and
>>> down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not 
>>> do-able
>>>
>>> in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.
>>>
>>> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having 
>>> to
>>> rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a 
>>> specific
>>>
>>> order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the
>>> offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The end.
>>>
>>> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output of 
>>> the
>>>
>>> master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in project
>>> defaults.
>>>
>>> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
>>> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from taking
>>> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all
>>> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge has
>>> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I 
>>> barely
>>>
>>> sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people it's
>>> fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care have
>>> better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're welcome, 
>>> or
>>> something.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>>>>ReaAccess IO dialog.
>>>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow 
>>>> expands
>>>> them.
>>>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom of 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> list, 64 channels.
>>>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>>>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>>>
>>>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just a
>>>> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that 
>>>>> seemed
>>>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not sure 
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the list
>>>>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as 
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to 
>>>>>>>>>>> destination
>>>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff to
>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things like
>>>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>>>> >=1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination, and
>>>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input) is
>>>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key 
>>>>>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it? 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Been
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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