[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 14 09:46:40 EDT 2013
It's like when creating midi channels to a soft synth using the create receives for all midi channels on the soft synth function.
in that combo box, I know different function but same principal, saves a whole lot of work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Perdue
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
No, that wouldn't help you much there. However grouping similar types of
tracks leaves you with a few less sends to create when you're busing
things out. In this case, it might also be a bit faster if you look at
it in reverse. Start with your fx track and create receives instead of
sending from the source tracks. Just a small workflow thing. The
end-result is the same.
On 10/14/2013 8:52 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> Would folders speed you up any when it came to something like sending
> a bunch of noncontiguous tracks to the same instance of a reverb
> though? I can't quite picture how that'd work in my mind without
> reordering tracks, which probably isn't any less button bashy than
> creating sends lol. Feel free to set me straight if I'm missing
> something.
>
> I use folders as buses primarily, and love them for that. Every time
> I'm mixing in Pro Tools and faffing about with groups, I find myself
> wishing I was working in Reaper with folders. So much quicker to
> create and tweak what's included.
>
> On 10/14/13, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>> "Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
>> well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
>> of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory."
>>
>> That's what I use folders for, among other things. Yeah, I know that's
>> not the point, but it's quick.
>>
>> On 10/14/2013 8:33 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>> After the combobox you used to create them, you should find that each
>>> send becomes part of the tab order in the I/O window. For each send,
>>> you'll have a delete button, then level, then pan. Tab again and
>>> you'll land on the delete button for the next send, and so on. Now
>>> that I'm in the habbit of hitting tab 3 times per send and using
>>> Shift+Space on the delete buttons, I can zip through and tidy up
>>> pretty quick. They seem to appear in order of creation, which is a bit
>>> less intuitive than I'd like, but what are you gonna do.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, it's quicker to view the I/O of a different track and
>>> delete the receive instead. The workflow is exactly the same, just
>>> depends on the routing as to which option will mean the least amount
>>> of headbutting your tab key.
>>>
>>> BTW, I'm not sure which versions of Reaper and NVDA you're using, but
>>> here on Reaper 4.54 and NVDA 2013.2, Jim's suggestion of Alt+Down
>>> arrow on that add sends combobox does get around the cranky 2 second
>>> behaviour. Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
>>> well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
>>> of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> My mistake. Still, though--and you may have already answered this as
>>>> well--how do you select the send you want to delete? My understanding is
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> can only delete the most recently added send.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:34 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just one thing. You don't need to route cursors and whatnot to delete
>>>>> sends from the I/O window, just use Shift+Space instead of plain old
>>>>> Space on the delete button for each send. Using the tab order instead
>>>>> of a menu does add up to being a few more buttons to push than 3.78,
>>>>> but if you like non screen reader specific workflows that's probably
>>>>> the way to get it done for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think I posted that earlier in the thread, meant to anyway. Maybe it
>>>>> got
>>>>> missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the
>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two
>>>>>> seconds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo, which
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around; it's
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without
>>>>>> realizing
>>>>>> what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow up
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not
>>>>>> do-able
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a
>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>
>>>>>> order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the
>>>>>> offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> defaults.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
>>>>>> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all
>>>>>> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I
>>>>>> barely
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're
>>>>>> welcome,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>>>>>>> ReaAccess IO dialog.
>>>>>>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow
>>>>>>> expands
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> list, 64 channels.
>>>>>>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>>>>>>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>>>>>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that
>>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here. That is using jaws. Not sure
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> box? In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>>>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
>>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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