[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Mon Oct 14 09:19:36 EDT 2013

Yeah, think we're already on the same page. Knowing when to create or
delete receives is a biggy.

On 10/14/13, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
> No, that wouldn't help you much there. However grouping similar types of
> tracks leaves you with a few less sends to create when you're busing
> things out. In this case, it might also be a bit faster if you look at
> it in reverse. Start with your fx track and create receives instead of
> sending from the source tracks. Just a small workflow thing. The
> end-result is the same.
>
> On 10/14/2013 8:52 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Would folders speed you up any when it came to something like sending
>> a bunch of noncontiguous tracks to the same instance of a reverb
>> though? I can't quite picture how that'd work in my mind without
>> reordering tracks, which probably isn't any less button bashy than
>> creating sends lol. Feel free to set me straight if I'm missing
>> something.
>>
>> I use folders as buses primarily, and love them for that. Every time
>> I'm mixing in Pro Tools and faffing about with groups, I find myself
>> wishing I was working in Reaper with folders. So much quicker to
>> create and tweak what's included.
>>
>> On 10/14/13, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>>> Scott wrote:
>>> "Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
>>> well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
>>> of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory."
>>>
>>> That's what I use folders for, among other things. Yeah, I know that's
>>> not the point, but it's quick.
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2013 8:33 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> After the combobox you used to create them, you should find that each
>>>> send becomes part of the tab order in the I/O window. For each send,
>>>> you'll have a delete button, then level, then pan. Tab again and
>>>> you'll land on the delete button for the next send, and so on. Now
>>>> that I'm in the habbit of hitting tab 3 times per send and using
>>>> Shift+Space on the delete buttons, I can zip through and tidy up
>>>> pretty quick. They seem to appear in order of creation, which is a bit
>>>> less intuitive than I'd like, but what are you gonna do.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes, it's quicker to view the I/O of a different track and
>>>> delete the receive instead. The workflow is exactly the same, just
>>>> depends on the routing as to which option will mean the least amount
>>>> of headbutting your tab key.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I'm not sure which versions of Reaper and NVDA you're using, but
>>>> here on Reaper 4.54 and NVDA 2013.2, Jim's suggestion of Alt+Down
>>>> arrow on that add sends combobox does get around the cranky 2 second
>>>> behaviour. Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
>>>> well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
>>>> of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> My mistake. Still, though--and you may have already answered this as
>>>>> well--how do you select the send you want to delete? My understanding
>>>>> is
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> can only delete the most recently added send.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just one thing. You don't need to route cursors and whatnot to delete
>>>>>> sends from the I/O window, just use Shift+Space instead of plain old
>>>>>> Space on the delete button for each send. Using the tab order instead
>>>>>> of a menu does add up to being a few more buttons to push than 3.78,
>>>>>> but if you like non screen reader specific workflows that's probably
>>>>>> the way to get it done for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think I posted that earlier in the thread, meant to anyway. Maybe it
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the
>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two
>>>>>>> seconds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around;
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without
>>>>>>> realizing
>>>>>>> what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not
>>>>>>> do-able
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky.
>>>>>>> Having
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a
>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the
>>>>>>> offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The
>>>>>>> end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the
>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> defaults.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
>>>>>>> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from
>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I
>>>>>>> barely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're
>>>>>>> welcome,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>>>>>>>> ReaAccess IO dialog.
>>>>>>>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow
>>>>>>>> expands
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> list, 64 channels.
>>>>>>>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>>>>>>>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that
>>>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not
>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>>>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sends:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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