[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Patrick Perdue patrick at pdaudio.net
Mon Oct 14 08:40:24 EDT 2013 

Scott wrote:
"Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory."

That's what I use folders for, among other things. Yeah, I know that's 
not the point, but it's quick.

On 10/14/2013 8:33 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
> After the combobox you used to create them, you should find that each
> send becomes part of the tab order in the I/O window. For each send,
> you'll have a delete button, then level, then pan. Tab again and
> you'll land on the delete button for the next send, and so on. Now
> that I'm in the habbit of hitting tab 3 times per send and using
> Shift+Space on the delete buttons, I can zip through and tidy up
> pretty quick. They seem to appear in order of creation, which is a bit
> less intuitive than I'd like, but what are you gonna do.
>
> Sometimes, it's quicker to view the I/O of a different track and
> delete the receive instead. The workflow is exactly the same, just
> depends on the routing as to which option will mean the least amount
> of headbutting your tab key.
>
> BTW, I'm not sure which versions of Reaper and NVDA you're using, but
> here on Reaper 4.54 and NVDA 2013.2, Jim's suggestion of Alt+Down
> arrow on that add sends combobox does get around the cranky 2 second
> behaviour. Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
> well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
> of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory.
>
> Scott
>
> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My mistake. Still, though--and you may have already answered this as
>> well--how do you select the send you want to delete? My understanding is you
>>
>> can only delete the most recently added send.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>
>>
>>> Just one thing. You don't need to route cursors and whatnot to delete
>>> sends from the I/O window, just use Shift+Space instead of plain old
>>> Space on the delete button for each send. Using the tab order instead
>>> of a menu does add up to being a few more buttons to push than 3.78,
>>> but if you like non screen reader specific workflows that's probably
>>> the way to get it done for now.
>>>
>>> Think I posted that earlier in the thread, meant to anyway. Maybe it got
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>>>>
>>>> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the
>>>> following:
>>>>
>>>> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two seconds
>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>> will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo, which is
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to like
>>>> settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around; it's
>>>> not
>>>> intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without
>>>> realizing
>>>> what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow up
>>>> and
>>>> down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not
>>>> do-able
>>>>
>>>> in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.
>>>>
>>>> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having
>>>> to
>>>> rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a
>>>> specific
>>>>
>>>> order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the
>>>> offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The end.
>>>>
>>>> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output of
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in project
>>>> defaults.
>>>>
>>>> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
>>>> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from taking
>>>> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all
>>>> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge has
>>>> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I
>>>> barely
>>>>
>>>> sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people it's
>>>> fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care have
>>>> better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're welcome,
>>>> or
>>>> something.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>>>>> ReaAccess IO dialog.
>>>>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow
>>>>> expands
>>>>> them.
>>>>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom of
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> list, 64 channels.
>>>>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>>>>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just a
>>>>> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>>>>> Indi
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>>>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that
>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not sure
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the list
>>>>>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to
>>>>>>>>>>>> destination
>>>>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff to
>>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things like
>>>>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input) is
>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key
>>>>>>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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