[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Scott Chesworth scottchesworth at gmail.com
Mon Oct 14 08:33:39 EDT 2013 

After the combobox you used to create them, you should find that each
send becomes part of the tab order in the I/O window. For each send,
you'll have a delete button, then level, then pan. Tab again and
you'll land on the delete button for the next send, and so on. Now
that I'm in the habbit of hitting tab 3 times per send and using
Shift+Space on the delete buttons, I can zip through and tidy up
pretty quick. They seem to appear in order of creation, which is a bit
less intuitive than I'd like, but what are you gonna do.

Sometimes, it's quicker to view the I/O of a different track and
delete the receive instead. The workflow is exactly the same, just
depends on the routing as to which option will mean the least amount
of headbutting your tab key.

BTW, I'm not sure which versions of Reaper and NVDA you're using, but
here on Reaper 4.54 and NVDA 2013.2, Jim's suggestion of Alt+Down
arrow on that add sends combobox does get around the cranky 2 second
behaviour. Now, if I could only find a way of scrolling down this new
well behaved list and selecting noncontiguous tracks to create a bunch
of sends in one shot, this would be the best Monday in memory.

Scott

On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
> My mistake. Still, though--and you may have already answered this as
> well--how do you select the send you want to delete? My understanding is you
>
> can only delete the most recently added send.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>
>
>> Just one thing. You don't need to route cursors and whatnot to delete
>> sends from the I/O window, just use Shift+Space instead of plain old
>> Space on the delete button for each send. Using the tab order instead
>> of a menu does add up to being a few more buttons to push than 3.78,
>> but if you like non screen reader specific workflows that's probably
>> the way to get it done for now.
>>
>> Think I posted that earlier in the thread, meant to anyway. Maybe it got
>> missed.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>>>
>>> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the
>>> following:
>>>
>>> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two seconds
>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>> will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo, which is
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>> course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to like
>>> settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around; it's
>>> not
>>> intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without
>>> realizing
>>> what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow up
>>> and
>>> down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not
>>> do-able
>>>
>>> in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.
>>>
>>> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having
>>> to
>>> rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a
>>> specific
>>>
>>> order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the
>>> offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The end.
>>>
>>> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output of
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>> master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in project
>>> defaults.
>>>
>>> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
>>> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from taking
>>> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all
>>> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge has
>>> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I
>>> barely
>>>
>>> sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people it's
>>> fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care have
>>> better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're welcome,
>>> or
>>> something.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>>>>ReaAccess IO dialog.
>>>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow
>>>> expands
>>>> them.
>>>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom of
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> list, 64 channels.
>>>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>>>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>>>
>>>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just a
>>>> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>>>> Indi
>>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that
>>>>> seemed
>>>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not sure
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the list
>>>>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to
>>>>>>>>>>> destination
>>>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff to
>>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things like
>>>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>>>> >=1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination, and
>>>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input) is
>>>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key
>>>>>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Been
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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