[RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x

Mon Oct 14 07:47:16 EDT 2013

My mistake. Still, though--and you may have already answered this as 
well--how do you select the send you want to delete? My understanding is you 
can only delete the most recently added send.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x


> Just one thing. You don't need to route cursors and whatnot to delete
> sends from the I/O window, just use Shift+Space instead of plain old
> Space on the delete button for each send. Using the tab order instead
> of a menu does add up to being a few more buttons to push than 3.78,
> but if you like non screen reader specific workflows that's probably
> the way to get it done for now.
>
> Think I posted that earlier in the thread, meant to anyway. Maybe it got 
> missed.
>
> Scott
>
> On 10/14/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's time to play, welcome to the end of the thought process!
>>
>> The issues we've been talking about basically all week are the following:
>>
>> -Once you select the track you want your send to go to, after two seconds 
>> it
>>
>> will make the send and then return you to the top of the combo, which is 
>> of
>>
>> course "add new send." This is okay, but blind people don't tend to like
>> settings taking effect until they're entirely done poking around; it's 
>> not
>> intuitive and can lead to adding a whole bunch of sends without realizing
>> what's going on. In JAWS, if you use alt+down arrow, you can arrow up and
>> down this list all day with no repercussions; however this seems not 
>> do-able
>>
>> in NVDA, or at least, so my admittedly brief testing shows.
>>
>> -Deleting a send from the IO dialog is, while possible, clunky. Having to
>> rout your cursor around and click to remove one send at a time in a 
>> specific
>>
>> order is much less elegant than how it's done in Reaper 3: go to the
>> offending send in the shift-applications menu and uncheck it. The end.
>>
>> -Unless I'm missing something, there's no easy way to send the output of 
>> the
>>
>> master track anywhere but channels 1/2 without setting it up in project
>> defaults.
>>
>> Don't misunderstand: I love Reaper4 and use it as my main production
>> environment. However, inconsistencies like these keep people from taking
>> advantage of Reaper 4's new features. I would imagine that this is all
>> easily manageable if you use ReaConsole, but no one to my knowledge has
>> tried setting it up that way. Honestly I don't really care because I 
>> barely
>>
>> sidechain or need sends, but I can't in good conscience tell people it's
>> fully accessible when it isn't. Apparently the ones who really care have
>> better things to do than write replies like this, so... you're welcome, 
>> or
>> something.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>
>>
>>>I just opened Reaper 454, inserted a track, then pressed I for the
>>>ReaAccess IO dialog.
>>> On any of the lines I tab to that show collapsed, alt+down arrow expands
>>> them.
>>> On number of channels alt+down arrow goes immediately to the bottom of 
>>> the
>>>
>>> list, 64 channels.
>>> On sends collapsed, alt+down arrow shows 2 choices:
>>> 1, Add New Send; 2, Add Sends to All Tracks.
>>>
>>> So, alt+down arrow definitely exposes some new options, or maybe just a
>>> new approach to old options, in NVDA, not just in jaws.
>>> Indi
>>>
>>> On 10/13/2013 10:01 PM, Drew wrote:
>>>> Actually, I think that it is. I didn't test extensively, but that 
>>>> seemed
>>>> to work better under JAWS than NVDA. Strange.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Alt+downArrow definitely helps here.  That is using jaws.  Not sure if
>>>>> that is something jaws is doing, but I didn't think so.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew" <amockery at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Afraid not.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Snowbarger"
>>>>>> <Snowman at SnowmanRadio.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:42 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About the combo box for sends automatically applying after one
>>>>>>> second, does it help to press alt+downArrow first, to open the list
>>>>>>> box?  In some cases, the application will then let you arrow
>>>>>>> throught the choices at leasure, and you can press alt+upArrow to
>>>>>>> close and select once you are finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeh, I found shift+i a couple of days ago, and wondered what it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be good for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just brought up Reaper 454, inserted an empty track, pressed
>>>>>>>> shift+i and got 3 selections at the arrow up/down keys.
>>>>>>>> 1, Sends, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>> 2, Receives, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>> 3, Hardware, radio button, checked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While any of those are selected with up/down arrows; I press the
>>>>>>>> tab key and get, for instance:
>>>>>>>> Sends, combo box, collapsed.
>>>>>>>> If I then press alt+down arrow it says expanded.
>>>>>>>> When either of the others are selected, tab; then alt+down arrow
>>>>>>>> works the same.
>>>>>>>> Indi
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 6:18 PM, Gianluca Apollaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Patric and list,
>>>>>>>>> while shift+Application key doesn't work in reaper 4, Once you
>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>> the send, Shift+I works so the channel 1/2=3/4 can be done as it's
>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>> in reaper 3.
>>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>>> SkypeID. gianluca8815
>>>>>>>>> Il 12/10/2013 23:49, Patrick Perdue ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> OK. So, after looking at Reaper 3.78's native track routing
>>>>>>>>>> matrix,
>>>>>>>>>> here's what I've found. I don't know if it's the same in 4.x.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once a send has been created from source (trigger) to destination
>>>>>>>>>> (processor,) use your screen reader of choice's review stuff to
>>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>>> line that says: "Audio:1/2 =>1/2" It should be below things like
>>>>>>>>>> delete, post-fade, post-pan, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Now, change the latter half of that from >=1/2 to >=3/4 by
>>>>>>>>>> clicking on
>>>>>>>>>> >=1/2. A menu will appear.
>>>>>>>>>> Now, if your destination track has been set up with four
>>>>>>>>>> channels, and
>>>>>>>>>> your source track is sending to channels 3/4 of destination, and
>>>>>>>>>> ReaComp (or whatever compressor you're using for keyed input) is
>>>>>>>>>> receiving from 3/4 rather than 1/2, you're good, barring the
>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>> bit of adjusting compression parameters to get your desired
>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2013 5:34 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something obvious. Seems like if I set this up
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> sends, both signals will go into the same input of the
>>>>>>>>>>> compressor.
>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, that'll sound different than if I hadn't done it, but
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>> not the same as sending that secondary signal into the key input
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor or whatever they call it in plugins nowadays so
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> the compressor is reacting to it as a separate source is it? 
>>>>>>>>>>> Been
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> while since I actually patched in hardware, so forgive the
>>>>>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>>>>>> rookie question.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/13, Drew <amockery at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to press i to view the track IO. Tab to the "sends: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>> new" combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> box and press the down arrow. From there it's pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> as in
>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper 3. The only part I can't figure out is how to change
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> that send
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> goes; it defaults to the top track or the second track if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> top track.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at reaaccess.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] Sidechaining in Reaper 4x
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a workflow for getting this done in Reaper 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA? Struggling to get some weird arty atmospheric loops to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mix here, and I'm thinking some ducking triggered by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drum bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might tie things together a bit better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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